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Originally Posted by Livia

As I myself made that comment - although the missspelling and poor grammar in the paraphrasing are entirely yours - I must conclude that you regard me as "simple Simon public". In which case I expect your post to be removed any minute now according to the forum rules.

I obviously don't think you're stupid or anywhere near to it, but yes, I do think that my second paragraph applies. You seem to be very clear in THIS thread that if someone is in prison it is entirely their own fault and if they didn't want to suffer (or die?) they just should have kept their nose clean.

Except...

Hold on...

This is coming from the same person who only a few days ago was quite adamant that "soldiers are just people" and that a young soldier shouldn't go to prison for losing his cool and shooting an unarmed prisoner. That the moral considerations of his personal circumstance should over-rule the cold hard letter of the law and he should be pardoned.

The two notions are in direct contradiction. You have no idea why these prisoners (or any prisoner) is behind bars or what their life circumstances, or the circumstances of their crimes, are. Importantly, you declare quite proudly that it doesn't matter; "You give up your right to make demands once you've broken the law, in my opinion". Confused is all.

I think EVERYONE who made the comment about not doing the crime if you can't do the time, agrees that transgenders are not a special case. ALL prisoners with mental health issues should be treated the same.

Of course they should. But the point to make there is that they should all be treated with consideration and understanding, not that trans people should "put up and shut up because everyone else has to".

If you look at the background of the particular case mentioned, you will see that this person did not identify as one thing or another until after the crime was committed. But of course, as they now identify as transgender, are we all supposed to take that at face value? Because it seems to me that some imagine that if you identify as transgender you are above reproach. Which seems a little bit of a stupid stance to take.

That seems like an absolutely massive leap, and I haven't seen anyone even vaguely hint at this?