[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I obviously don't think you're stupid or anywhere near to it, but yes, I do think that my second paragraph applies. You seem to be very clear in THIS thread that if someone is in prison it is entirely their own fault and if they didn't want to suffer (or die?) they just should have kept their nose clean.

Except...

Hold on...

This is coming from the same person who only a few days ago was quite adamant that "soldiers are just people" and that a young soldier shouldn't go to prison for losing his cool and shooting an unarmed prisoner. That the moral considerations of his personal circumstance should over-rule the cold hard letter of the law and he should be pardoned.

The two notions are in direct contradiction. You have no idea why these prisoners (or any prisoner) is behind bars or what their life circumstances, or the circumstances of their crimes, are. Importantly, you declare quite proudly that it doesn't matter; "You give up your right to make demands once you've broken the law, in my opinion". Confused is all.




Of course they should. But the point to make there is that they should all be treated with consideration and understanding, not that trans people should "put up and shut up because everyone else has to".



That seems like an absolutely massive leap, and I haven't seen anyone even vaguely hint at this?

This is a discussion about transgender people demanding special rights once they've committed a crime.

The thread to which you refer regarding service personnel was on a completely different topic and, as far as I'm aware, the services of the transgender community isn't often called for in a war zone.

Obviously I could trawl through the forum and pick out bits where you say one thing on one subject and then appear to contradict it with your comment on another subject. But that is tedious and muddies the water where a debate is concerned.

Regarding your last paragraph. Yes, ALL prisoners should be treated the same. They are there for punishment, but that doesn't mean their needs should be met, both physical and emotional. No one group should be singled out for preferential treatment because they might have suffered.