[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And none of this affects people's right to choose to protest Trump or any issue they personally care about.

It's not a "silly" or "lazy" point of view though to ask just where the hell are these protesters when anyone other than our own country or the US are carrying out far worse atrocities.It is of course everyone's right to protest on whatever issue they choose.But to question what seems like a very one sided agenda is also anyone's right.Specially when an organisation called 'Stop The War' only wants to stop one side of it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't really see the logic of only holding progressive societies to account and letting more primitive ones off the hook because they are more primitive.

The Saudis for instance are hardly primitive, they just choose to hide behind it when it suits and the same pretty much applies to the rest of them.

When there are plenty of Western mugs out there defending their primitiveness to the hilt they are laughing their stinking sandals off.

I thought the general belief in this country was 'ignorance was no defence'. Just one rule for them then. I find that pretty horrifying!

What are you suggesting... It's ok for the western world to regress because thw rest of the world isn't progressive enough?
I've heard of fuzzy logic but jeeeeez

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And none of this affects people's right to choose to protest Trump or any cissue they personally care about.

No but it shows their choice is not based on any reasoned argument, just personal opinion and has bugger all to do being right.

So getting off their high horses would be appropriate if they don't want to be exposed as complete hypocrites.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It's not a "silly" or "lazy" point of view though to ask just where the hell are these protesters when anyone other than our own country or the US are carrying out far worse atrocities.It is of course everyone's right to protest on whatever issue they choose.But to question what seems like a very one sided agenda is also anyone's right.Specially when an organisation called 'Stop The War' only wants to stop one side of it.

It is silly Russia are not part of NATO are they?
There has to be a degree of realism to what you are protesting about, a protest in the country who is doing the shelling is going to have more gravitas as it shows it is not what that country wants as a people.

Of course nobody who opposes war suggests that the UK and US are wrong and Russia right, that is ridiculous.

[arista]

The USA President
will come to Great Britain in June
protest away
no one can stop this visit,

[Kizzy]

The Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, has said that Donald Trump should not be given the honour of speaking to parliament in Westminster Hall because of the Commons’ opposition to “racism and sexism”.

Bercow said being invited to give a speech in Westminster Hall for a foreign leader was an “earned honour”. And it was not an invitation that automatically comes with a state visit, he says.

He said he was one of three people that would have to approve an invitation to someone to speak in Westminster Hall. He would have been opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall even before the migrant ban. Since that ban, he is even more opposed to it.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...l-says-speaker

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, has said that Donald Trump should not be given the honour of speaking to parliament in Westminster Hall because of the Commons’ opposition to “racism and sexism”.

Bercow said being invited to give a speech in Westminster Hall for a foreign leader was an “earned honour”. And it was not an invitation that automatically comes with a state visit, he says.

He said he was one of three people that would have to approve an invitation to someone to speak in Westminster Hall. He would have been opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall even before the migrant ban. Since that ban, he is even more opposed to it.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...l-says-speaker

What a Cuck.

[Firewire]

Bye boo

[Kizzy]

That was quick...


Donald Trump will be blocked from addressing Parliament on his state visit to the UK, the Speaker of the House of Commons has said.

John Bercow, the Speaker, said he was "strongly opposed" to Mr Trump speaking in the Commons and that being invited was "not an automatic right" but "an earned honour".

“Before the imposition of the migrant ban I would myself have been strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall," he told MPs in response to a point of order by an MP.

“After the imposition of the migrant ban by President Trump I am even more strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall."

Parts of the Commons erupted into rare spontaneous applause in support of Mr Bercow's statement.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7565651.html

[LeatherTrumpet]

Cut to Trump giving a rats arse.....

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That was quick...


Donald Trump will be blocked from addressing Parliament on his state visit to the UK, the Speaker of the House of Commons has said.

John Bercow, the Speaker, said he was "strongly opposed" to Mr Trump speaking in the Commons and that being invited was "not an automatic right" but "an earned honour".

“Before the imposition of the migrant ban I would myself have been strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall," he told MPs in response to a point of order by an MP.

“After the imposition of the migrant ban by President Trump I am even more strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall."

Parts of the Commons erupted into rare spontaneous applause in support of Mr Bercow's statement.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7565651.html

Interesting!


Trump is going to go down in history as the most unpopular President of the U.S.

[Kizzy]

As long as that's all I'm happy

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That was quick...


Donald Trump will be blocked from addressing Parliament on his state visit to the UK, the Speaker of the House of Commons has said.

John Bercow, the Speaker, said he was "strongly opposed" to Mr Trump speaking in the Commons and that being invited was "not an automatic right" but "an earned honour".

“Before the imposition of the migrant ban I would myself have been strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall," he told MPs in response to a point of order by an MP.

“After the imposition of the migrant ban by President Trump I am even more strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall."

Parts of the Commons erupted into rare spontaneous applause in support of Mr Bercow's statement.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7565651.html

Ready for all the people who thought for his right to do so suddenly not care either way.

[MTVN]

Yet Bercow welcomed the Emir of Kuwait and allowed him to address Parliament despite presiding over a country which bans Israeli passport holders and where homosexuality is illegal

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Cut to Trump giving a rats arse.....

Dont worry he will be tweeting at 4 oclock in the morning shouting more bull****

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yet Bercow welcomed the Emir of Kuwait and allowed him to address Parliament despite presiding over a country which bans Israeli passport holders and where homosexuality is illegal

This is what I don't understand,we have a president now who is very pro Britain,which is good for us, who will not be allowed to address parliament yet other statesmen such as from China etc have been allowed,Trump needs to prove himself,I don't get why some are running round like headless chickens,it's a shame parliament aren't as vocal with people in the country who wish to do us harm.he will come and go,unlike the hate preachers that are allowed to live in this country.

[thesheriff443]

As my dad as said for years,
A good man goes no where in politics.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Bercow is meant to be neutral hence his actual job, heaven only knows what he is doing (then again look at his judgements in love). He also called the US President racist and sexist. I have looked back at his time in office and can find zero evidence of this so what is he on about?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yet Bercow welcomed the Emir of Kuwait and allowed him to address Parliament despite presiding over a country which bans Israeli passport holders and where homosexuality is illegal

Also, Kuwait has recently put a ban on visas for people from a number of Muslim countries, including Pakistan. I suppose that's somehow different from Trump doing it. And like I said, try getting into a Muslim country - any Muslim country - with a British passport with an Israeli stamp in it.

Clearly it's only worth protesting when it's about a Western leader. And by "Western" I mean UK and USA.

[Smithy]

Poor Trumpsters

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Bercow is meant to be neutral hence his actual job, heaven only knows what he is doing (then again look at his judgements in love). He also called the US President racist and sexist. I have looked back at his time in office and can find zero evidence of this so what is he on about?

He is like many who spout buzzwords left,right and centre, without actually being able or willing to explain what he means by them.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And the signatures have now reached over 1.5 million

Edited to add, I've put the trolls on ignore as all they do is bait for a reaction and I honestly can't be bothered.

oop it seems to have stalled at 1.8

looks like people got bored

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

oop it seems to have stalled at 1.8

looks like people got bored

6 times the petition in favour of Trump though. (The petition that doesnt get its own debate eespite it getting enough sigs)

[Livia]

This issue isn't a competition surrounding how many people signed a petition. It's like a silly points-scoring exercise, trying to have a debate in here. If you uphold the right the law allows for state visits, then you're a Trump supporter. I posted the petition supporting his visit as a way of showing that not everyone supports the hysterical opposition to a man who is not, in any way, the worst despot in the world but seems to have attracted the most attention.

If only there was as much passion about other world leaders, sadly there only seems to be a limited amount of bandwagons available at any one time.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Poor Trumpsters

No We Love It
Smithy