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For the sake of balance I've just gone and signed the anti-Trump petition, so cheers for the reminder
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If you were that bothered you wouldn't have needed a reminder,are we being a tad childish here
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I haven't signed either but I don't see much of a problem with him visiting us?
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I did and went to the rally last night
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For the sake of balance I've just gone and signed the anti-Trump petition, so cheers for the reminder
Good. Although I don't agree with you I do uphold your right to your opinion and to voice it.

Heading for 110,000 signatures now. Creeping up, isn't it.

I think those opposing Trump and those... (I hesitate to say "supporting him" because I don't actually support him, any more than I supported Putin when he had a State visit... or when Mugabe did... or the Chinese...) and those who believe he should come because he is the president of the USA, is probably on a par numerically. However, as with Brexit, those against make the most noise, the squeaky wheel if you like. Those who find themselves in opposition to the noisy ones use the vote to voice their opinion. They did when the Tories unexpectedly gained a majority at the last general election, they did when we voted to leave Europe and they will now.

A discussion on this is difficult because those who oppose Trump intimate in what they write that if you aren't with them on this, then you're a hard-right, card-carrying, cross-burning fascist.
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It does seem a bit pointless, surely not signing the other petition is essentially the same as saying you accept the visit?

Meh, I'm all for people sharing their views although this petition is ironically everything negative about what's been said about the other petition in the other thread.
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Well, if there was only a pro-Trump's visit petition, I'm guessing that someone would feel duty-bound to make a anti-Trump's visit petition. No one would think that was pointless. I'm happy with that. Everyone gets a say so things don't seem so one-sided.
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Good. Although I don't agree with you I do uphold your right to your opinion and to voice it.

Heading for 110,000 signatures now. Creeping up, isn't it.

I think those opposing Trump and those... (I hesitate to say "supporting him" because I don't actually support him, any more than I supported Putin when he had a State visit... or when Mugabe did... or the Chinese...) and those who believe he should come because he is the president of the USA, is probably on a par numerically. However, as with Brexit, those against make the most noise, the squeaky wheel if you like. Those who find themselves in opposition to the noisy ones use the vote to voice their opinion. They did when the Tories unexpectedly gained a majority at the last general election, they did when we voted to leave Europe and they will now.

A discussion on this is difficult because those who oppose Trump intimate in what they write that if you aren't with them on this, then you're a hard-right, card-carrying, cross-burning fascist.
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theyre all a disaster
simply have straight forward rates of income tax on a sliding scale
close loopholes for corporate tax evasion, seriously increase the fines , work hand in glove with all other nations to close these tax loopholes
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Are you sure that the left hasn't gone so far of the scale, that normal people just look far-right to you?

Here's a liberal guy Dave Rubin, who a couple of years ago would have called himself 'on the left', but now he constantly finds himself criticising the left. I'm guessing this is the kind of person you'd refer to as far-right, because of some of his opinions. He's a gay guy by the way and is married to another guy.

The left is no longer Liberal

That was very interesting, thank you for sharing.
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I would say there is possibly one currently who is obviously far right and maybe another with leanings. 5 or 6 I can think of who are far left. Both sides seem to be quite rude to anyone they perceive as being the other way, their perceptions are often mistaken.

Personally I'm in the middle and lean slightly left. I don't feel that there is any political party who represents me. New Labour came close at some points and so did the Lib Dems. I don't believe in a god and I don't particularly like religion, but do believe in live and let live unless said religion has rules that do not give full equality to women. Unfortunately that applies to most religions which are run by men and enforce all kinds of rules upon women who have to live with them.

I am well aware there are some here who view me as on the right, and they are wrong. Mostly because I am strong supporter of Brexit which is quite amusing as you spoke about being a strong supporter of it too and obviously lean quite far left. In fact I would say my feelings of compassion for others is one of the reasons why I am so opposed to the EU.

Unfortunately those with a strong political leaning either way don't seem to listen much to what others are saying. And never see any balance in posts that don't agree with their position. People are far more complicated than that and politics isn't always why they feel the way they do.

I think you are mistaking 'right' with simply not sharing your left leaning passion.
Great post Jaxie, the way people are being pidgeon holed is ridiculous, I said recently my political leanings are in the middle and I was told I had splinters on my arse, I'd rather that, and I'd rather be able to see the positives from the right and the left than be leaning so far one way or the other to be practically hanging off the edge.
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I would say there is possibly one currently who is obviously far right and maybe another with leanings. 5 or 6 I can think of who are far left. Both sides seem to be quite rude to anyone they perceive as being the other way, their perceptions are often mistaken.

Personally I'm in the middle and lean slightly left. I don't feel that there is any political party who represents me. New Labour came close at some points and so did the Lib Dems. I don't believe in a god and I don't particularly like religion, but do believe in live and let live unless said religion has rules that do not give full equality to women. Unfortunately that applies to most religions which are run by men and enforce all kinds of rules upon women who have to live with them.

I am well aware there are some here who view me as on the right, and they are wrong. Mostly because I am strong supporter of Brexit which is quite amusing as you spoke about being a strong supporter of it too and obviously lean quite far left. In fact I would say my feelings of compassion for others is one of the reasons why I am so opposed to the EU.

Unfortunately those with a strong political leaning either way don't seem to listen much to what others are saying. And never see any balance in posts that don't agree with their position. People are far more complicated than that and politics isn't always why they feel the way they do.

I think you are mistaking 'right' with simply not sharing your left leaning passion.
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Great post Jaxie, the way people are being pidgeon holed is ridiculous, I said recently my political leanings are in the middle and I was told I had splinters on my arse, I'd rather that, and I'd rather be able to see the positives from the right and the left than be leaning so far one way or the other to be practically hanging off the edge.
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You're welcome.

He has a chat/debate show on YT called The Rubin report, where he does one on one interviews/debates with some good opinionated political commentators.
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Are you sure that the left hasn't gone so far of the scale, that normal people just look far-right to you?

Here's a liberal guy Dave Rubin, who a couple of years ago would have called himself 'on the left', but now he constantly finds himself criticising the left. I'm guessing this is the kind of person you'd refer to as far-right, because of some of his opinions. He's a gay guy by the way and is married to another guy.

The left is no longer Liberal
Interesting video Alf and no, I certainly don't think he's far right... anything but! I do in fact agree with a lot of what he's suggesting about the left (though the American Left and the British Left are uniquely different) but then so is Classical and Modern Liberalism.

Once or twice he crosses a line into Moderate Libertarianism. Nothing wrong with that but when it comes to the vote, because Liberal/Libertarianism ideologies are so varied and hugely individual, they will always come over as a little vague.
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Great post Jaxie, the way people are being pidgeon holed is ridiculous, I said recently my political leanings are in the middle and I was told I had splinters on my arse, I'd rather that, and I'd rather be able to see the positives from the right and the left than be leaning so far one way or the other to be practically hanging off the edge.
Was that something you felt I said after reading one of my blogs?
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I don't think I have ever read one of your blogs, I don't even know where the blogs are I think it might have been Kizzy said it
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