[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well for one, bizarrely, the heavily right leaning posters seem to self identify as centrist more than right. I'm not sure what that is all about. Secondly, over 30 people have voted on the poll and there are not as many as 30 regular SD posters.

Imagining that every regular has voted, and with there being only three "right leaning" vote, I can only assume that at least 5 members are lying to themselves because off the top of my head I can think of at least 6 to 8.

I take your point about how many voted as was aware of that when I made my comment but as the so-called 'far-righters' speak their minds on certain subjects I don't believe they would hold back on such a poll if they believed themselves to be far-right.

That label is placed by those making motivated assumptions based on very limited info as well as some attempting to undermine anyone with views unpopular with themselves. It is all just nonsence really.

[James]

A lot of the left-leaning posters can't post that much in Serious Debates, especially with starting threads, which defines what gets discussed on the forum.

I did a quick check there and about half of the threads on the first page of Serious Debates were started by Arista...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I take your point about how many voted as was aware of that when I made my comment but as the so-called 'far-righters' speak their minds on certain subjects I don't believe they would hold back on such a poll if they believed themselves to be far-right.

That label is placed by those making motivated assumptions based on very limited info as well as some attempting to undermine anyone with views unpopular with themselves. It is all just nonsence really.

But you havent voted on the poll either? Unless you identify right-leaning?

I honestly made the poll because I assumed nearly everybody would select one of the middle three options. I didnt see these results coming either.

Whats most confusing me is why there is so little support for right wing? Why have all but three ignored the poll? Or are the tibb members we believe to be right wing actually more in the centre?

There was one person in the thread who I would have thought would select one of the top two options, but they believe themself to be in the centre.. i guess this could apply to the others we assumed were on the right?

I made the poll anonymous to encourage truthful answers, maybe a public poll would have been different?

TiBB does have a younger demographic, and a lot of college and University graduates, so it doesnt surprise me that the poll leans left.. im so confused about the so few support of the right though. Trump and Farage are regularly praised, maybe people see them as centre though? I dont know! Weird for sure..

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

But you havent voted on the poll either? Unless you identify right-leaning?

I honestly made the poll because I assumed nearly everybody would select one of the middle three options. I didnt see these results coming either.

Whats most confusing me is why there is so little support for right wing? Why have all but three ignored the poll? Or are the tibb members we believe to be right wing actually more in the centre?

There was one person in the thread who I would have thought would select one of the top two options, but they believe themself to be in the centre.. i guess this could apply to the others we assumed were on the right?

I made the poll anonymous to encourage truthful answers, maybe a public poll would have been different?

TiBB does have a younger demographic, and a lot of college and University graduates, so it doesnt surprise me that the poll leans left.. im so confused about the so few support of the right though. Trump and Farage are regularly praised, maybe people see them as centre though? I dont know! Weird for sure..

I voted right-leaning as that is my opinion. In a way you confirm my point as you appear to assume someone to be far-right when that is not how they see themselves. That is your opinion, not fact.

Also some posters who many would likely describe as far-left voted as left-leaning or centre so there is a very obvious flaw in such a voting system, as nobody really knows anyone, only their viewpoints on certain issues, so judgements made can only be opinion, not fact.

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by Withano

But you havent voted on the poll either?

i rarely vote.............................not keen on polls

funny thing is if i voted it would be ..................'moderate'

...................but taking that recent test......i came out 'complete red'

Mark L

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I voted right-leaning as that is my opinion. In a way you confirm my point as you appear to assume someone to be far-right when that is not how they see themselves. That is your opinion, not fact.

Also some posters who many would likely describe as far-left voted as left-leaning or centre so there is a very obvious flaw in such a voting system, as nobody really knows anyone, only their viewpoints on certain issues, so judgements made can only be opinion, not fact.

it is helpful to know that you define yourself as right leaning, it makes sense of the poll a bit for me.

I guess SD comes across as right vs left because of the sources that are used, and because of the arguments that are brought up.. when in reality maybe a far-right or far-left post is just the easiest way to put a small point across? Or maybe people are more likely to contribute when they feel strongly on either side but this will rarely reflect their overall political values?

(I am discussing theories with you.. i think you think im fighting? Im not..)

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

it is helpful to know that you define yourself as right leaning, it makes sense of the poll a bit for me.

I guess SD comes across as right vs left because of the sources that are used, and because of the arguments that are brought up.. when in reality maybe a far-right or far-left post is just the easiest way to put a small point across? Or maybe people are more likely to contribute when they feel strongly on either side but this will rarely reflect their overall political values?

(I am discussing theories with you.. i think you think im fighting? Im not..)

No, don't pass out on me, I don't think that, as I largely agree with you.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well for one, bizarrely, the heavily right leaning posters seem to self identify as centrist more than right. I'm not sure what that is all about. Secondly, over 30 people have voted on the poll and there are not as many as 30 regular SD posters.

Imagining that every regular has voted, and with there being only three "right leaning" vote, I can only assume that at least 5 members are lying to themselves because off the top of my head I can think of at least 6 to 8.

I didn't vote in the poll.I find it too hard to categorise myself.My political compass has me at slightly right wing and slightly libertarian but then i've never voted Tory and there is loads of their decisions I don't agree with and some of Corbyns that i do.
I think i'd have needed another twenty questions in their to get a full enough picture to categorise myself.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by James

A lot of the left-leaning posters can't post that much in Serious Debates, especially with starting threads, which defines what gets discussed on the forum.

I did a quick check there and about half of the threads on the first page of Serious Debates were started by Arista...

why cant they post in SD?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by James

A lot of the left-leaning posters can't post that much in Serious Debates, especially with starting threads, which defines what gets discussed on the forum.

I did a quick check there and about half of the threads on the first page of Serious Debates were started by Arista...

And? I saw someone the other day moaning about the threads in SD and lo and behold they hadn't started any, which they are perfectly capable of doing

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

But you havent voted on the poll either? Unless you identify right-leaning?

I honestly made the poll because I assumed nearly everybody would select one of the middle three options. I didnt see these results coming either.

Whats most confusing me is why there is so little support for right wing? Why have all but three ignored the poll? Or are the tibb members we believe to be right wing actually more in the centre?

There was one person in the thread who I would have thought would select one of the top two options, but they believe themself to be in the centre.. i guess this could apply to the others we assumed were on the right?

I made the poll anonymous to encourage truthful answers, maybe a public poll would have been different?

TiBB does have a younger demographic, and a lot of college and University graduates, so it doesnt surprise me that the poll leans left.. im so confused about the so few support of the right though. Trump and Farage are regularly praised, maybe people see them as centre though? I dont know! Weird for sure..

I see no reason for people to lie given it is anonymous

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I didn't vote in the poll.I find it too hard to categorise myself.My political compass has me at slightly right wing and slightly libertarian but then i've never voted Tory and there is loads of their decisions I don't agree with and some of Corbyns that i do.
I think i'd have needed another twenty questions in their to get a full enough picture to categorise myself.

You're an anomaly NM, I remember saying as much in one of my PM convos with ol' Kirk. When we would exit the trenches and play football in the snow.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

And? I saw someone the other day moaning about the threads in SD and lo and behold they hadn't started any, which they are perfectly capable of doing

But Arista gets angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But Arista gets angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry

Arista knows how to share

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Arista knows how to share

He doesn't! I've been to his "special" parties and he never lets anyone else go first. ALWAYS sloppy seconds. That's not sharing in my book

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I didn't vote in the poll.I find it too hard to categorise myself.My political compass has me at slightly right wing and slightly libertarian but then i've never voted Tory and there is loads of their decisions I don't agree with and some of Corbyns that i do.
I think i'd have needed another twenty questions in their to get a full enough picture to categorise myself.

PICK A TEAM

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I see no reason for people to lie given it is anonymous

No, me either really. But as of now, zero people identify as right wing.. that seems a bit off, i wasjust throwing out theories as to why this might be.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

No, me either really. But as of now, zero people identify as right wing.. that seems a bit off, i wasjust throwing out theories as to why this might be.

That doesn't really surprise me as I think people get wrongly labelled by people who don't like even the mere suggestion of any opposition to immigration. That of course does not make them right in their assumptions.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That doesn't really surprise me as I think people get wrongly labelled by people who don't like even the mere suggestion of any opposition to immigration. That of course does not make them right in their assumptions.

It's not just that though, there are several people on here who have expressed unambiguously right wing views in all sorts of domestic political / economic areas that have nothing at all to do with immigration. I can only assume that there are people self identifying as centrist when what they actually are expressing are definite right wing views?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That doesn't really surprise me as I think people get wrongly labelled by people who don't like even the mere suggestion of any opposition to immigration. That of course does not make them right in their assumptions.

Why does it not surprise you? Zero of any 33 people identifying as right wing is completely bizarre!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why does it not surprise you? Zero of any 33 people identifying as right wing is completely bizarre!

The right wing doesn't actually exist, it's fake news.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're an anomaly NM, I remember saying as much in one of my PM convos with ol' Kirk. When we would exit the trenches and play football in the snow.

I don't think i'm that unique.I think i'd fall into the category of disenfranchised voters who have been left without a political home due to Corbyn and the far left taking over the Labour party.
I have never voted Tory and never would because I believe in a fairer more equal society and totally disagree with things like bedroom tax and hitting the disabled and homeless.I think Tory austerity is too far,I don't think zero hours contracts should be forced on people when they're probably better off on benefits,I think workers rights are important and believe work should pay a living wage.I think on balance things like the railways should be nationalised so there is a body we can hold accountable etc etc.All things Corbyn wants.

But....

I'm against over taxing and alienating corporations because i'd rather we attract businesses and encourage competition,I think the NHS is possibly unsustainable and needs to be looked at realistically and all options considered,I think immigration needs to be controlled better and worked on to be reduced,I believe in British jobs for British workers first,I believe that when people come here they need to fit in with our culture and not the other way round and i don't believe Islamic ideas such as Sharia should be pandered to in any way as i think Islam is the most backwards of the three main religions,I'm against these parallel societies who make their own rules which can contradict the law and believe in taking a hard line on terrorists and their sympathisers.
On top of that i think Corbyn seems like a nice chap but would be a terrible PM as he is clearly imo incapable of taking the hard decisions,He would possibly obliterate our defences and has already taken a position which would castrate our nuclear deterrent were he to become PM leaving Europe in a more vulnerable position and i don't like him calling terrorist organisations like Hamas "friends".

So after all that i'm probably a right winger in denial with left wing tendancies.
I'm politically homeless and find it extremely difficult to "pick a side".I'm not even on the fence.I have a position on all these issues just no party who caters to them.
However i think there are many many people like me.I know plenty.
Modern society imo is waay too complex to put everyone in these left/right/centre pigeon holes.I would vote centre but i don't think that covers me as it suggests a more moderate position on the issues than i have.Hence why I didn't vote in the poll.

[Vicky.]

Slightly left overall.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

FFS are you actually talking about New Labour 1997-2009?

New Labour?

New Labour which was a right-leaning authoritarian-inclined party...

...the exact opposite of a "lefty liberal" party ...???


I think you need to stop saying "lefty liberal" and "loony left" Truth, you don't seem to have an accurate grasp of the political compass at all. You think that Blairs labour was left and liberal. wut.

...quite.

[Brillopad]

I don't know how to copy the chart across, was as honest as I could be, and scored as sitting right on the A/L line and 4 columns into the left, so for those who believe in in this I apparently veer more to the left. Says a lot about all this far-right c**p then.