[Denver]

And green cards work perfectly fine in Aus so they will work over here

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I have personal **** to deal with now and i am not you ****ing news guide so if you want to know look it up if not then go away

So take a break from the forum and come back another time? The thread aint going anywhere.

Don't dare speak to me like I'm something you've just scraped off your shoe. Have some sodding respect and you might get it in return.

However, if you don't wish to be questioned or explain your points then don't join a discussion. Just a suggestion.

[Ronald.]

Yes. Perhaps a break would be a good idea Adam. I have seen nothing personal in Marsh's replies. R.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

We dont need cleaner or road sweepers only skilled workers should be allowed in

So, what about their families? What if said skilled worker has a husband/wife who is unskilled, what if they have two teenage kids who are also unskilled? Immigrants are unfairly painted in a bad light, 99% of the ones I know are good hard working people, who, even if they are unskilled, contribute more to this country than some British people.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I have personal **** to deal with now and i am not you ****ing news guide so if you want to know look it up if not then go away

"I would fight u but my mum sez I have to be home for tea at 6 so I have to go home but I will come back later and fight u I just can't now OK cos I have to go for tea."

[Rogan Josh]

Originally Posted by Chewy

So, what about their families? What if said skilled worker has a husband/wife who is unskilled, what if they have two teenage kids who are also unskilled? Immigrants are unfairly painted in a bad light, 99% of the ones I know are good hard working people, who, even if they are unskilled, contribute more to this country than some British people.

I agree with all you have said, but have you watched some of the benefit programs on Channel5? where you have whole Eastern European families not wanting to work, but only claim benefits? They can claim benefits in any other EU country, but why the UK? and why are the government allowing this when our own citizens are getting sanctioned for the least possible reason?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"I would fight u but my mum sez I have to be home for tea at 6 so I have to go home but I will come back later and fight u I just can't now OK cos I have to go for tea."

My grandad died today so you can troll the **** all you want like you normally do with people who have different opinion to you

[Rogan Josh]

Originally Posted by Adam.

My grandad died today so you can troll the **** all you want like you normally do with people who have different opinion to you

Take it easy and please look after yourself, its' a difficult time

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Adam.

My grandad died today so you can troll the **** all you want like you normally do with people who have different opinion to you

Genuinely sorry for your loss. It maybe would be a good idea to take some time out to process... I don't mean that it a bad way. I find that this place can add needless stress.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Rogan Josh

I agree with all you have said, but have you watched some of the benefit programs on Channel5? where you have whole Eastern European families not wanting to work, but only claim benefits? They can claim benefits in any other EU country, but why the UK? and why are the government allowing this when our own citizens are getting sanctioned for the least possible reason?

Except that if a family like that existed, they'd be booted out after three months if they couldn't find work....

Channel 5's 'documentaries' are sensationalist and shouldn't be used as evidence of anything ever. Their benefits programming is made just to bait people into getting mad by presenting to them the version of reality they want to see.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Except that if a family like that existed, they'd be booted out after three months if they couldn't find work....

Channel 5's 'documentaries' are sensationalist and shouldn't be used as evidence of anything ever. Their benefits programming is made just to bait people into getting mad by presenting to them the version of reality they want to see.

Oh like there's no such thing as trashy immigrants. Just like we have our own trashy types, they exist in all nationalities.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Oh like there's no such thing as trashy immigrants. Just like we have our own trashy types, they exist in all nationalities.

Sure, there's trashy immigrants (I can't remember saying there wasn't but oh well, any excuse for you to have a jab at someone I guess) but the law on immigrants claiming benefits is clear. The ones you see on C5 are likely playing up to the cameras for a pay day as with most of the 'subjects' of their 'documentaries'.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Your arguments are all confusing and merging into one.

If a foreigner comes over here to work, they too are paying into the system and are entitled to any benefits that come with it, including NHS services etc etc.

People coming over here and not working/contributing is something else.

You seem to be saying "No foreigners" no matter what. Work or no work, benefits or no benefits. If I were a lesser person I'd think you were racist.

Oooh the R word, as soon as you start to throw that around you lose any credibility.

People should pay in for a number of years, like the rest of us, before they take out. You don't pay in one month, then take out the next.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Rogan Josh

I agree with all you have said, but have you watched some of the benefit programs on Channel5? where you have whole Eastern European families not wanting to work, but only claim benefits? They can claim benefits in any other EU country, but why the UK? and why are the government allowing this when our own citizens are getting sanctioned for the least possible reason?

PLEASE don't shape your view of the world via a channel 5 documentary.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Oooh the R word, as soon as you start to throw that around you lose any credibility.

People should pay in for a number of years, like the rest of us, before they take out. You don't pay in one month, then take out the next.

Oh right so does that apply for Brits then who have only just left school, got their first job and literally made one payment of tax? Do they have to wait an "x" amount of weeks/months/years to use services? Or those people who don't earn above the threshold to pay any tax at all, what about those people?

I'll use whatever words I want to where I see fit.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh right so does that apply for Brits then who have only just left school, got their first job and literally made one payment of tax? Do they have to wait an "x" amount of weeks/months/years to use services?

I'll use whatever words I want to where I see fit.

Not the same as their parents likely paid in for years.

There is a reason the government want to restrict access to benefits for immigrants as easy access attracts the wrong types of people and money doesn't grow on trees.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Not the same as their parents likely paid in for years.

There is a reason the government want to restrict access to benefits for immigrants as easy access attracts the wrong types of people and money doesn't grow on trees.

It is restricted.

What if their parents were one of these naughty benefit cheats, would the child be entitled then?

There's countless holes in daft rules like what you're suggesting.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It is restricted.

What if their parents were one of these naughty benefit cheats, would the child be entitled then?

There's countless holes in daft rules like what you're suggesting.

That works both ways. If we just give handouts to everyone regardless there will be consequences for the rest of us as there is not a never ending supply of money, homes and services.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If we just give handouts to everyone regardless

Evidence?

The man in the mansion doesn't count.

[Jordan.]

Why are people even wasting time arguing over this, it's happening whether you like it or not

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Why are people even wasting time arguing over this, it's happening whether you like it or not

He's right goshdarnit, why has no one ever realised this before? Mods, close SD. It's over.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Evidence?

The man in the mansion doesn't count.

Evidence of the obvious!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Evidence of the obvious!

Yeah, the obvious. Course it is.

Grrrr!!! Those Jeremy Kyle contestants!!!!

[user104658]

To be fair it's not just the Jezza contestants. I've also seen them on documentaries on Channel 5. There was this one where a guy walked into a job centre and was like "lol can I have benefits I want some" and they were like "Yeh here you go and an Audi" and they gave him an audi.

And if sources like Channel 5, ITV2 and The Sun are reporting on it, I'm not going to argue.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, the obvious. Course it is.

Grrrr!!! Those Jeremy Kyle contestants!!!!

It's even more of the JK types we don't want dipping into the money the rest of us have worked hard for and paid into the pot, not for scrounges who take, take take.

Grrrr!!!!!