[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Pity your fondness for capital letters doesn't stretch to your posts, they might be a little more literate then.

but if you refuse point blank to use any other capital letters or punctuation whatsoever marsh then God! becomes all the more important.

[Livia]

I feel compelled to say that people have religious freedom in this country and can worship God in any way they choose - or not - without having the piss ripped out of them for it, no matter how you feel about any other statements thetruth has made. Respecting someone's right to their own beliefs is much like respecting someone's right to be openly gay, to be transgender or any of the other rights people seem ready to fight for on here, while disrespecting people's right to religious freedom.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I feel compelled to say that people have religious freedom in this country and can worship God in any way they choose - or not - without having the piss ripped out of them for it, no matter how you feel about any other statements thetruth has made. Respecting someone's right to their own beliefs is much like respecting someone's right to be openly gay, to be transgender or any of the other rights people seem ready to fight for on here, while disrespecting people's right to religious freedom.

Repsecting the right to religious freedom includes respecting the right to non-religion, and to the opinion that religious belief is illogical to the point of being ludicrous. You are free to disagree with that statement, argue against it, as vocally as you please, but no, you don't have the right to tell me what I can and can't say about religion, any more than I have the right to tell a religious person what they can and can't say.

No one is trying to stifle religious freedom. Truth and anyone else here is free to believe whatever they want to believe?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Repsecting the right to religious freedom includes respecting the right to non-religion, and to the opinion that religious belief is illogical to the point of being ludicrous. You are free to disagree with that statement, argue against it, as vocally as you please, but no, you don't have the right to tell me what I can and can't say about religion, any more than I have the right to tell a religious person what they can and can't say.

No one is trying to stifle religious freedom. Truth and anyone else here is free to believe whatever they want to believe?

I know I am free to disagree. I said in my original post that people should be afforded the right to their beliefs - or none.

Freedom of speech doesn't afford you the right to ridicule. And it isn't just this thread... Every time there is a mention of religion all the non-believers, atheists, agnostics etc... all band together to say how ridiculous it is, do we believe in unicorns too? All that crap. I don't think there's anyone here who has the slightest doubt where you stand because you exhaust your opinion every time religion is brought up.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Freedom of speech doesn't afford you the right to ridicule. And it isn't just this thread... Every time there is a mention of religion all the non-believers, atheists, agnostics etc... all band together to say how ridiculous it is, do we believe in unicorns too? All that crap.

But if it's directed at people who openly voice full support of (for example) Trump and Farage, and their non-PC nature, and the fact that they speak their mind, raw and truthful, without dressing up their opinions for fear of "offending snowflakes", but it's all good because "at least it's honest!"... ... where is the problem? Or is there, somewhere, a set of guidelines on which subjects are A-OK to be discussed in this manner and those which are off-limits? I'm very confused.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I feel compelled to say that people have religious freedom in this country and can worship God in any way they choose - or not - without having the piss ripped out of them for it, no matter how you feel about any other statements thetruth has made. Respecting someone's right to their own beliefs is much like respecting someone's right to be openly gay, to be transgender or any of the other rights people seem ready to fight for on here, while disrespecting people's right to religious freedom.

fair enough but if the truth is going to reprimand people for not using a capital "G" and disrespecting God and calling them blasphemous then he's drawing it on himself really and in effect trying to force his religious notions on others

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

fair enough but if the truth is going to reprimand people for not using a capital "G" and disrespecting God and calling them blasphemous then he's drawing it on himself really and in effect trying to force his religious notions on others

To be honest I have never seen anyone on here try to force their religious beliefs on others. Quite the reverse.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

To be honest I have never seen anyone on here try to force their religious beliefs on others. Quite the reverse.

Well reprimanding a non religious person for not using a capital G when typeing the word god and also calling them blasphemous is pushing their beliefs (or rules I suppose) on them. You can't be blasphemous if you don't believe in god

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well reprimanding a non religious person for not using a capital G when typeing the word god and also calling them blasphemous is pushing their beliefs (or rules I suppose) on them. You can't be blasphemous if you don't believe in god

Well, thetruth did repremand Marshy, yes. And then TS, Withano and thesheriff all piled in to have a little pop... even though the post wasn't directed at them at all. And that's the way it seems to go. Calling someone blasphemous is small fry to the ridicule people with faith put up with on here. I mean, how can intelligent people believe in God? They must be stupid or something...

Anyhoo, sorry for guiding this off-topic.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, thetruth did repremand Marshy, yes. And then TS, Withano and thesheriff all piled in to have a little pop... even though the post wasn't directed at them at all. And that's the way it seems to go. Calling someone blasphemous is small fry to the ridicule people with faith put up with on here. I mean, how can intelligent people believe in God? They must be stupid or something...

Anyhoo, sorry for guiding this off-topic.

It wasn't directed at them no but like I said if you're going to go round reprimanding people who don't even believe in god then you're open to be reprimanded back imo

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I mean, how can intelligent people believe in God? They must be stupid or something...

You do love to reword things and stuff them back in the mouthes of others to make them seem worse, Livia. It's almost like you're TRYING to take more offense than is on offer.

I have never suggested that anyone is stupid just because they are religious. I think that there is a fair basis for believing in an unknown, generalised higher power beyond human comprehension (that might be called a "god") if one is so inclined.

Now what I think you're referring to...

Is the fact that I have stated repeatedly, and maintain 100% as my opinion, that belief in and following of an organised human religion is illogical, and is usually based in either parental indoctrination or trauma (or both) rather than objective reasoning.

If you feel the need to continue to dumb that statement down to fit your agenda, then feel free to continue to do so, and I'll continue to post the correction.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, thetruth did repremand Marshy, yes. And then TS, Withano and thesheriff all piled in to have a little pop... even though the post wasn't directed at them at all. And that's the way it seems to go. Calling someone blasphemous is small fry to the ridicule people with faith put up with on here. I mean, how can intelligent people believe in God? They must be stupid or something...

Anyhoo, sorry for guiding this off-topic.

Oh so it wasn't aimed at my response. As you were....

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, thetruth did repremand Marshy, yes. And then TS, Withano and thesheriff all piled in to have a little pop... even though the post wasn't directed at them at all. And that's the way it seems to go. Calling someone blasphemous is small fry to the ridicule people with faith put up with on here. I mean, how can intelligent people believe in God? They must be stupid or something...

Anyhoo, sorry for guiding this off-topic.

Since when were we only supposed to reply to posts that was directed towards only us. Its an open discussion on a public forum.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I feel compelled to say that people have religious freedom in this country and can worship God in any way they choose - or not - without having the piss ripped out of them for it, no matter how you feel about any other statements thetruth has made. Respecting someone's right to their own beliefs is much like respecting someone's right to be openly gay, to be transgender or any of the other rights people seem ready to fight for on here, while disrespecting people's right to religious freedom.

If this is aimed at my response, I want you to know I respect anyone and everyone's personal beliefs/religions.

However, in a thread not actually about any of that he's dragging "blasphemy" into the equation. Not that I expect anything more from a poster like him who finds any excuse to put down women and bleat about the unfortunate male sex.

On another note, it staggers me that he's remained on this site for as long as he has.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

but if you refuse point blank to use any other capital letters or punctuation whatsoever marsh then God! becomes all the more important.

YOU KEEP OUT OF THIS!!!