[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well reprimanding a non religious person for not using a capital G when typeing the word god and also calling them blasphemous is pushing their beliefs (or rules I suppose) on them. You can't be blasphemous if you don't believe in god

Well, thetruth did repremand Marshy, yes. And then TS, Withano and thesheriff all piled in to have a little pop... even though the post wasn't directed at them at all. And that's the way it seems to go. Calling someone blasphemous is small fry to the ridicule people with faith put up with on here. I mean, how can intelligent people believe in God? They must be stupid or something...

Anyhoo, sorry for guiding this off-topic.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, thetruth did repremand Marshy, yes. And then TS, Withano and thesheriff all piled in to have a little pop... even though the post wasn't directed at them at all. And that's the way it seems to go. Calling someone blasphemous is small fry to the ridicule people with faith put up with on here. I mean, how can intelligent people believe in God? They must be stupid or something...

Anyhoo, sorry for guiding this off-topic.

It wasn't directed at them no but like I said if you're going to go round reprimanding people who don't even believe in god then you're open to be reprimanded back imo

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Freedom of speech doesn't afford you the right to ridicule. And it isn't just this thread... Every time there is a mention of religion all the non-believers, atheists, agnostics etc... all band together to say how ridiculous it is, do we believe in unicorns too? All that crap.

But if it's directed at people who openly voice full support of (for example) Trump and Farage, and their non-PC nature, and the fact that they speak their mind, raw and truthful, without dressing up their opinions for fear of "offending snowflakes", but it's all good because "at least it's honest!"... ... where is the problem? Or is there, somewhere, a set of guidelines on which subjects are A-OK to be discussed in this manner and those which are off-limits? I'm very confused.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I mean, how can intelligent people believe in God? They must be stupid or something...

You do love to reword things and stuff them back in the mouthes of others to make them seem worse, Livia. It's almost like you're TRYING to take more offense than is on offer.

I have never suggested that anyone is stupid just because they are religious. I think that there is a fair basis for believing in an unknown, generalised higher power beyond human comprehension (that might be called a "god") if one is so inclined.

Now what I think you're referring to...

Is the fact that I have stated repeatedly, and maintain 100% as my opinion, that belief in and following of an organised human religion is illogical, and is usually based in either parental indoctrination or trauma (or both) rather than objective reasoning.

If you feel the need to continue to dumb that statement down to fit your agenda, then feel free to continue to do so, and I'll continue to post the correction.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

but if you refuse point blank to use any other capital letters or punctuation whatsoever marsh then God! becomes all the more important.

YOU KEEP OUT OF THIS!!!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I feel compelled to say that people have religious freedom in this country and can worship God in any way they choose - or not - without having the piss ripped out of them for it, no matter how you feel about any other statements thetruth has made. Respecting someone's right to their own beliefs is much like respecting someone's right to be openly gay, to be transgender or any of the other rights people seem ready to fight for on here, while disrespecting people's right to religious freedom.

If this is aimed at my response, I want you to know I respect anyone and everyone's personal beliefs/religions.

However, in a thread not actually about any of that he's dragging "blasphemy" into the equation. Not that I expect anything more from a poster like him who finds any excuse to put down women and bleat about the unfortunate male sex.

On another note, it staggers me that he's remained on this site for as long as he has.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, thetruth did repremand Marshy, yes. And then TS, Withano and thesheriff all piled in to have a little pop... even though the post wasn't directed at them at all. And that's the way it seems to go. Calling someone blasphemous is small fry to the ridicule people with faith put up with on here. I mean, how can intelligent people believe in God? They must be stupid or something...

Anyhoo, sorry for guiding this off-topic.

Oh so it wasn't aimed at my response. As you were....

[the truth]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If a dog is born in a stable it does not make it a horse.

As a man I don't feel threatened by women, in fact I got a lot more time for strong women then weak men.

what an irelevant answer. There are clear double standards at work. If a man generalizes that all women are inferior to men at certain things he is labelled a sexist. But if its said about a man, its not sexist. I am simply pointing out these glaring double standards.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

what an irelevant answer. There are clear double standards at work. If a man generalizes that all women are inferior to men at certain things he is labelled a sexist. But if its said about a man, its not sexist. I am simply pointing out these glaring double standards.

That isn't true, women are always being told that we are terrible drivers and inferior to men in that regard and that seems to be perfectly acceptable(it isn't though imo) so you are wrong there

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That isn't true, women are always being told that we are terrible drivers and inferior to men in that regard and that seems to be perfectly acceptable(it isn't though imo) so you are wrong there

not on national tv in front of billions, if it was said there, thered be a mosntrous backlash

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

not on national tv in front of billions, if it was said there, thered be a mosntrous backlash

What you never heard men on TV making a women being bad drivers comment? Ever watched Top Gear the jeremy Clarkeson era?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What you never heard men on TV making a women being bad drivers comment? Ever watched Top Gear the jeremy Clarkeson era?

When was that said, years ago no doubt...Ive heard infinitely worse said about men and said all the time every day/...we get male hate 24/7 in this country on the tv especially , loose women is a daily dose of misandry and no one dare say a word in protest. andry gray makes a meaningless joke about a lineswoman off air and loses his job and his home
double standards

this comment by rylance is prodoundly sexist totally anti male misandrist, generalizing that all men are inferior to all women in the field of opposing anything? that is generalized stereotyped sexism and if said by a man about a woman he would be kicked off the show.

[Marsh.]

It's absolutely disgusting.

White, young, middle class, straight males are absolutely the victims of society.

Everyone else has it easy.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's absolutely disgusting.

White, young, middle class, straight males are absolutely the victims of society.

Everyone else has it easy.

Sarcasm is still the lowest for of wit.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

When was that said, years ago no doubt...Ive heard infinitely worse said about men and said all the time every day/...we get male hate 24/7 in this country on the tv especially , loose women is a daily dose of misandry and no one dare say a word in protest. andry gray makes a meaningless joke about a lineswoman off air and loses his job and his home
double standards

this comment by rylance is prodoundly sexist totally anti male misandrist, generalizing that all men are inferior to all women in the field of opposing anything? that is generalized stereotyped sexism and if said by a man about a woman he would be kicked off the show.

yes poor discriminated against men, especially the straight white ones, so much hardship and struggle they've had to endure

[Niamh.]

lol snap Marsh

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

yes poor discriminated against men, especially the straight white ones, so much hardship and struggle they've had to endure

Heartless as always. yes I'm sure the fact male suicides are at an all time high, at nearly 5 times the rate of women in western society is a source of great amusement to you. that's before we factor in the billions more spent on womens health and support networks, the 80%+ divorce settlements which take the children and family home and half his lifes income from the estranged broken hearted father. Yes hilarious? Where is your compassion?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

Heartless as always. yes I'm sure the fact male suicides are at an all time high, at nearly 5 times the rate of women in western society is a source of great amusement to you. that's before we factor in the billions more spent on womens health and support networks, the 80%+ divorce settlements which take the children and family home and half his lifes income from the estranged broken hearted father. Yes hilarious? Where is your compassion?

I've saved up my compassion for when I speak to someone who's genuinely interested in a discussion and not just pushing their anti woman agenda

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've saved up my compassion for when I speak to someone who's genuinely interested in a discussion and not just pushing their anti woman agenda

What a heartless reply. This is Pro men , not anti women, thats the key difference you refuse to acknowledge because you dont care. Ive yet to witness any compassion for men on any thread, even ones Im not involved in. You have shown zero empathy , sympathy or interest in male issues and simply try to derail all threads. Even the threads detailing the 80 million working class men killed in world wars, didnt hear a pip out of you

[Jack_]

Is this real life?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

What a heartless reply. This is Pro men , not anti women, thats the key difference you refuse to acknowledge because you dont care. Ive yet to witness any compassion for men on any thread, even ones Im not involved in. You have shown zero empathy , sympathy or interest in male issues and simply try to derail all threads. Even the threads detailing the 80 million working class men killed in world wars, didnt hear a pip out of you

Calm down truth you sound hysterical.

Now you and I both know that isn't true, i have actually spoken to you about certain mens issues, ones that i have personal experience in especially like fathers Rights. I have no problem accepting if something is sexist against men, infact my first and second posts on this thread actually state that. What I have an issue with is every single time you turn it into a competition and make it us against them which is very unhelpful to- I was going to say your cause but we both know that's not actually what your real cause is, don't we?

Now I've given you enough play time, you're welcome though

[thesheriff443]

On this forum we are all equal, once you realise that then you will have a far better time on here.
For the record I don't knock people for what they believe in.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Calm down truth you sound hysterical.

Now you and I both know that isn't true, i have actually spoken to you about certain mens issues, ones that i have personal experience in especially like fathers Rights. I have no problem accepting if something is sexist against men, infact my first and second posts on this thread actually state that. What I have an issue with is every single time you turn it into a competition and make it us against them which is very unhelpful to- I was going to say your cause but we both know that's not actually what you real cause is, don't we?

Now I've given you enough play time, you're welcome though

Glad youve offered a more sincere reply after your previous frivolous ones.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You do love to reword things and stuff them back in the mouthes of others to make them seem worse, Livia. It's almost like you're TRYING to take more offense than is on offer.

I have never suggested that anyone is stupid just because they are religious. I think that there is a fair basis for believing in an unknown, generalised higher power beyond human comprehension (that might be called a "god") if one is so inclined.

Now what I think you're referring to...

Is the fact that I have stated repeatedly, and maintain 100% as my opinion, that belief in and following of an organised human religion is illogical, and is usually based in either parental indoctrination or trauma (or both) rather than objective reasoning.

If you feel the need to continue to dumb that statement down to fit your agenda, then feel free to continue to do so, and I'll continue to post the correction.

One man's "dumbing down" is another man's paraphrasing. Or indeed... womans.

Saying that organised religion is illogical and based on parental indoctrination... that's me you're referring to. And while you have never said outright that I am stupid, I just summed it up for you. I can't be illogical and intoctrinated... and intelligent. Non believers don't understand faith. Faith is indescribable, like love. You know it when you feel it but you can't explain it.

Aaaanyhoo... back to the topic...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Saying that organised religion is illogical and based on parental indoctrination... that's me you're referring to. And while you have never said outright that I am stupid, I just summed it up for you. I can't be illogical and intoctrinated... and intelligent.

On the contrary I would say that you are very intelligent, and therefore a prime example that when it comes to something as psychologically and culturally ingrained as religion, a person CAN be illogical, indoctrinated... and intelligent.

You know it when you feel it but you can't explain it.

Or to paraphrase... "It is illogical".