[Vicky.]

Those buying the 'born in the wrong body' rhetoric are actually transphobic themselves. Thats how far this has gone.

I don't disagree with anything Murray says. I read this yesterday but didn't dare post it on here because...reasons

Sorry, I am still pretty old fashioned in that 'woman' to me means 'adult human female' and 'man' means 'adult human male'. I get that they have evolved into a 'feeling' these days. Woman can be masculine, or have surgery to look more like a male, and vice versa...but this does not alter the sex you actually are nor should it strip away protections based on that sex. Can anyone who says 'transwomen are women' define what a woman actually is for me please? A circular meaning doesn't work...as 'anyone who feels like a woman'...well, quite what are they feeling like? Its kinda like me saying 'a flobalob is a flobalob' 'but what IS a flobalob' 'its a flobalob'. Nonsense.

'Transgender' has a new meaning that not many people are aware of, meaning basically anyone can wake up one day and 'be' the opposite sex. Thats completely wrong and is a huge can of worms being opened right there. We already have had violent male prisoners locked up with females...this matter runs much deeper than the 'but its just loos!' argument.

Its not about those 'born in the wrong body' who suffer crippling dysphoria anymore. Its quite literally about anyone declaring themselves to be anything they say they are. Which is a dangerous road to go down. There is due to be a debate in parliament about allowing 'gender identity' to trump sex. I don't HAVE a 'gender identity' as I am missing this magical womanly essence (or a version of a soul...as it sounds?). I am going to be screwed eh...


Funnily enough, I know 2 transwomen in real life (both are post op) and both of those think the current day rhetoric is crazy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Those buying the 'born in the wrong body' rhetoric are actually transphobic themselves. thats how far this has gone.

I don't disagree with anything Murray says. I read this yesterday but didn't dare post it on here because...reasons

Sorry, I am still pretty old fashioned in that 'woman' to me means 'adult human female' and 'man' means 'adult human male'. I get that they have evolved into a 'feeling' these days. Woman can be masculine, or have surgery to look more like a male, and vice versa...but this does not alter the sex you actually are nor should it strip away protections based on that sex.

'Transgender' has a new meaning that not many people are aware of, meaning basically anyone can wake up one day and 'be' the opposite sex. Thats completely wrong and is a huge can of worms being opened right there. We already have had violent male prisoners locked up with females...this matter runs much deeper than the 'but its just loos!' argument.

Its not about those 'born in the wrong body' who suffer crippling dysphoria anymore. Its quite literally about anyone declaring themselves to be anything they say they are. Which is a dangerous road to go down.

Can anyone who says 'transwomen are women' define what a woman actually is for me please? A circular meaning doesn't work...as 'anyone who feels like a woman'...well, quite what are they feeling like?

Funnily enough, I know 2 transwomen in real life (both are post op) and both of those think the current day rhetoric is crazy.

Yeah that's a good question, I couldn't do it, I'm very much a believer in people as individuals. If you start trying to define what makes a woman a woman or a man a man you're just going to end up with the stereotypes I think and people aren't stereotypes

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah that's a good question, I couldn't do it, I'm very much a believer in people as individuals. If you start trying to define what makes a woman a woman or a man a man you're just going to end up with the stereotypes I think and people aren't stereotypes

The ONLY way to do it is by stereotypes. And we should be moving away from ****ing stereotypes. Jesus. Do we really want to be pushing the 'if you are feminine you actually ARE a woman' and vice versa? Really? This is harmful to everyone. be a feminine male, be a masculine female...have surgeries and hormones and get a haircut if that makes you feel better about yourself. but you cannot change sex. Sorry. And sex does matter in some areas of life..

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

'Transgender' has a new meaning that not many people are aware of, meaning basically anyone can wake up one day and 'be' the opposite sex.

I'd probably argue that someone waking up "one day" and feeling that way was more bigender. Transgender is permanent and constant.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Funnily enough, I know 2 transwomen in real life (both are post op) and both of those think the current day rhetoric is crazy.

Do you consider them women? Men? Somewhere inbetween?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'd probably argue that someone waking up "one day" and feeling that way was more bigender. Transgender is permanent and constant.



Do you consider them women? Men? Somewhere inbetween?

I consider them...transwomen? So I guess somewhere in the middle.