Last night a lot of Brits went on US television and trashed the UK's multiculturalism

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I find those stats a bit difficult to believe, especially in a Yorkshire area.

If you wish to fear the impossible then you are free to do so, it doesn't make it any more likely of happening. Like I said before, it's impossible for an extremist section of Islam to take hold in the UK and become a majority and nothing is going to change that. When you understand how population growth. government and the process of changing legislation, laws and political systems work you'll see that there's nothing to fear.

As I said before, if you think you are at any risk of becoming a minority and somehow being forced into Islam by extremists then you may as well check the moon every night to see if it's fallen out of the sky because the odds of those events happening are pretty much the same.



So whenever you accuse me of sexism you're trying to intimidate me into silence?

It is quite a reasonable comment when you refer to female posters as dear, love etc when in disagreement with them.

Most on here accusesd of racism have only expressed concerns about Islam and its practices. That has nothing to do with race for a start. Religion is not a race.

[Northern Monkey]

Not a Hopkins fan but she has some good points here

Youtube video

[Tom4784]

'BREAKING : Katie Hopkins SAVAGES Britain's Pathetic Liberals'

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

Yes, now leave me alone whilst I meditate

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Not a Hopkins fan but she has some good points here

Youtube video

I never thought I would agree with Hopkins on anything, but the "reclaiming the bridge" stuff was very cringey and totally inappropriate given people had died there just a day earlier, people taking selfies and shouting we are not afraid, it was all a bit tasteless really.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not positivity, it's common sense and you aren't becoming a minority, you'll never be a minority and you shouldn't fear Muslims, no group of people have suffered more loss at the hands of 'islamic' terrorists have suffered than Muslims themselves.

If you're going to worry about extremists taking over then you may as well fear the moon crashing into us because they both have the same likelihood of happening.

She has just told you that in the area she lives she is in the minority, I understand what she is saying I live in a similar area the difference is I have always lived in multicultural boroughs in London so I am perfectly used to it, if however I returned to Ireland and found the area I grew up was now completely changed culturally I probably would have an issue with that!! I think for some of the older generations they have seen so much change in their life time it is difficult to comes to terms with it. If you have grown up with it as my kids have they have no issues whatsoever but I have have a 85 year old neighbour who remembers when the area was different and has a different view, that's not racism that is someone who has seen a complete change in their lifetime and is not happy at the loss of her community and neighbourhood.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She has just told you that in the area she lives she is in the minority, I understand what she is saying I live in a similar area the difference is I have always lived in multicultural boroughs in London so I am perfectly used to it, if however I returned to Ireland and found the area I grew up was now completely changed culturally I probably would have an issue with that!! I think for some of the older generations they have seen so much change in their life time it is difficult to comes to terms with it. If you have grown up with it as my kids have they have no issues whatsoever but I have have a 85 year old neighbour who remembers when the area was different and has a different view, that's not racism that is someone who has seen a complete change in their lifetime and is not happy at the loss of her community and neighbourhood.

I can understand that but that's just life I guess, things change and evolve. The sense of community is less here than it was when I was younger too but that's not down to different cultures moving into areas it's just the way the world has moved. You asked earlier what it was like over here. I guess it's different from England because we don't have as much of areas being taken over by a certain group/groups, not that I've noticed anyway. It seems to me that attitudes towards immigrants are harsher over in Britain. Of course Ireland probably isn't high on the list as a target for ISIS either so maybe we're less worried? I don't know really

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can understand that but that's just life I guess, things change and evolve. The sense of community is less here than it was when I was younger too but that's not down to different cultures moving into areas it's just the way the world has moved. You asked earlier what it was like over here. I guess it's different from England because we don't have as much of areas being taken over by a certain group/groups, not that I've noticed anyway. It seems to me that attitudes towards immigrants are harsher over in Britain. Of course Ireland probably isn't high on the list as a target for ISIS either so maybe we're less worried? I don't know really

Not just in relation to ISIS but to immigration in general. I asked because I found attitudes to people coming to work in Ireland as not as welcoming as they might be, I think it was all great during the Celtic Tiger but once that bubble burst there seemed to be a lot of anti Polish sentiment...I remember sitting in a hospital in Cork when my Mum was unwell and the cleaner was having a right moan about Polish people, when I said Ireland has been exporting people for years and it was their turn to give something back she looked quite taken aback its a sentiment I heard a few times on visits, again that is not everyone, just like here in the UK, I am not sure how any major town in Ireland would react to Irish people being in the minority either

[DemolitionRed]

There's a picture going around Facebook, of the damage done to London during the IRA bombing. It says something like, 'we didn't can all Irish or Catholic folks after this, and we're not going to do it now'. Makes perfect sense to me.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

There's a picture going around Facebook, of the damage done to London during the IRA bombing. It says something like, 'we didn't can all Irish or Catholic folks after this, and we're not going to do it now'. Makes perfect sense to me.

err....lots of people did and still do....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not just in relation to ISIS but to immigration in general. I asked because I found attitudes to people coming to work in Ireland as not as welcoming as they might be, I think it was all great during the Celtic Tiger but once that bubble burst there seemed to be a lot of anti Polish sentiment...I remember sitting in a hospital in Cork when my Mum was unwell and the cleaner was having a right moan about Polish people, when I said Ireland has been exporting people for years and it was their turn to give something back she looked quite taken aback its a sentiment I heard a few times on visits, again that is not everyone, just like here in the UK, I am not sure how any major town in Ireland would react to Irish people being in the minority either

I think that may have been during the very worst time of the recession, there are still quite a lot of Polish people here but I never hear anyone giving out about them (where as I did a bit just after the bubble burst) What I will say though is the Polish over here have really integrated well, it definitely makes things harder when whatever nationality it is don't do that but I think that can be contributed to on both sides, like we'll say african refugees that came over here, they would be all placed in areas together so we're contributing to making "ghettos" (for lack of a better word) and alienating them, as well as them choosing to stick together

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

There's a picture going around Facebook, of the damage done to London during the IRA bombing. It says something like, 'we didn't can all Irish or Catholic folks after this, and we're not going to do it now'. Makes perfect sense to me.

Originally Posted by Cherie

err....lots of people did and still do....

Yeah tbf that's not entirely true DR, even back in the late 90's when I was over in London I used to get some comments etc directed at me/being Irish so i can only imagine it was even worse back in the 70's/80's

I think people like to remember things a bit more rose tinted

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah tbf that's not entirely true DR, even back in the late 90's when I was over in London I used to get some comments etc directed at me/being Irish so i can only imagine it was even worse back in the 70's/80's

I think people like to remember things a bit more rose tinted

I remember reading an article after 9/11 saying Muslims are the new Irish in Britain and its so true, people have forgotton how badly the Irish were treated during the Troubles, it's only in recent years the BNP took the Irish off their leafleting campaigns

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can understand that but that's just life I guess, things change and evolve. The sense of community is less here than it was when I was younger too but that's not down to different cultures moving into areas it's just the way the world has moved. You asked earlier what it was like over here. I guess it's different from England because we don't have as much of areas being taken over by a certain group/groups, not that I've noticed anyway. It seems to me that attitudes towards immigrants are harsher over in Britain. Of course Ireland probably isn't high on the list as a target for ISIS either so maybe we're less worried? I don't know really

What do you think the reason is for attitudes towards immigrants not being as harsh in Ireland?


I would suggest that it's because you're not experiencing it.If you got whole areas taken over i can guarantee attitudes would be exactly the same.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

What do you think the reason is for attitudes towards immigrants not being as harsh in Ireland?


I would suggest that it's because you're not experiencing it.If you got whole areas taken over i can guarantee attitudes would be exactly the same.

Yeah maybe so NM that coupled with us probably not being overly worried about being a target for ISIS. I think maybe the only reason they would think about targeting Ireland is if they targeted Shannon Airport because the American air force use there to refuel

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah maybe so NM that coupled with us probably not being overly worried about being a target for ISIS. I think maybe the only reason they would think about targeting Ireland is if they targeted Shannon Airport because the American air force use there to refuel

Yeah i think their narrative for attacking Britain and France etc and the US is that we're at war with them in Syria/Iraq.I don't think Ireland is on their radar.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It is quite a reasonable comment when you refer to female posters as dear, love etc when in disagreement with them.

Most on here accusesd of racism have only expressed concerns about Islam and its practices. That has nothing to do with race for a start. Religion is not a race.

As it's been established before, I tend to call both male and female members dear. Ignoring the facts doesn't make them disappear, Brillo. Paiting me as sexist in an effort to repress what I have to say and then complain about being a called a racist because it 'intimidates' you makes you a gargantuan hypocrite, as usual.

If someone accuses you of racism then defend yourself just like I've cosntantly refuted your cheap accusations of sexism that ultimately cheapen your position as a 'feminist' (Still not convinced you are, you only seem to be a feminist when you can use it as a weapon and that's not feminism.).

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She has just told you that in the area she lives she is in the minority, I understand what she is saying I live in a similar area the difference is I have always lived in multicultural boroughs in London so I am perfectly used to it, if however I returned to Ireland and found the area I grew up was now completely changed culturally I probably would have an issue with that!! I think for some of the older generations they have seen so much change in their life time it is difficult to comes to terms with it. If you have grown up with it as my kids have they have no issues whatsoever but I have have a 85 year old neighbour who remembers when the area was different and has a different view, that's not racism that is someone who has seen a complete change in their lifetime and is not happy at the loss of her community and neighbourhood.

It's her perception that she's a minority, it's not factual unless she can provide evidence. I doubt very much that a white christian/atheist/agnostic (whichever she is) person in Yorkshire is a minority.

Things change and grow, life is not stagnant and neither is culture. As an elderly woman who has seen so much change in her life, you'd think she'd understand that. It sounds like she remembers when the community was mostly white and dislikes the idea of diversity, her community hasn't been lost, it's evolved and I doubt it's changed that much that she's now a minority, that's just a fear that ignorant people have.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yeah i think their narrative for attacking Britain and France etc and the US is that we're at war with them in Syria/Iraq.I don't think Ireland is on their radar.

Fingers crossed anyway

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's her perception that she's a minority, it's not factual unless she can provide evidence. I doubt very much that a white christian/atheist/agnostic (whichever she is) person in Yorkshire is a minority.

Things change and grow, life is not stagnant and neither is culture. As an elderly woman who has seen so much change in her life, you'd think she'd understand that. It sounds like she remembers when the community was mostly white and dislikes the idea of diversity, her community hasn't been lost, it's evolved and I doubt it's changed that much that she's now a minority, that's just a fear that ignorant people have.

So you don't believe she is in a minority even though she has produced percentages that clearly say she is Its her town I think she knows what she is talking about.

[Brother Leon]

Find it absolutely cringeworthy when White people express fear of becoming a Minority in Western Countries. This country could just about accept an ethnic minority London Mayor, The majority of the country voted for Brexit and won with their main and only objective being to stop the bloody immigrants and yet we are suppose to take those fears seriously? My uncle on my Mother side is the absolute worst with it too.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So you don't believe she is in a minority even though she has produced percentages that clearly say she is Its her town I think she knows what she is talking about.

She's produced numbers, I can do the same and it would be equally worthless without solid evidence to back it up.

It's her PERCEPTION of her town and not a reliable one either.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Find it absolutely cringeworthy when White people express fear of becoming a Minority in Western Countries. This country could just about accept an ethnic minority London Mayor, The majority of the country voted for Brexit and won with their main and only objective being to stop the bloody immigrants and yet we are suppose to take those fears seriously? My uncle on my Mother side is the absolute worst with it too.

Exactly, it's completely irrational.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Find it absolutely cringeworthy when White people express fear of becoming a Minority in Western Countries. This country could just about accept an ethnic minority London Mayor, The majority of the country voted for Brexit and won with their main and only objective being to stop the bloody immigrants and yet we are suppose to take those fears seriously? My uncle on my Mother side is the absolute worst with it too.

You will find that a lot of minorities voted for Brexit, I've lost count of the number of immigrants who said they didn't want any more I work with an Polish lady who likes to live among white British people...you could not make this shiz up, but its out there.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She's produced numbers, I can do the same and it would be equally worthless without solid evidence to back it up.

It's her PERCEPTION of her town and not a reliable one either.

I think it's more reliable than your PERCEPTION as you don't live there.