[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't see the relevance of the skin colour of the people living in ****holes?

you saw the relevance of pointing out that your wife's ****hole town was 99 per cent white British

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

you saw the relevance of pointing out that your wife's ****hole town was 99 per cent white British

To prove you don't have to be Asian to be a sh*t head?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

To prove you don't have to be Asian to be a sh*t head?

It doesn't prove anything, TS is just speaking from his experience, he has posted no facts to back it up, he hasn't been asked to produce a 2011 census to back up his claims of a town practically full of white Brits which coincidentally happens to be a ****hole, how convenient yet it is accepted as fact, while Tozzie has to back up all her post with facts and figures, only on TiBB I'm an immigrant but I can see that not all immigrants contribute in a positive way to the community same as all natives don't, to claim otherwise is absurd

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It doesn't prove anything, TS is just speaking from his experience, he has posted no facts to back it up, he hasn't been asked to produce a 2011 census to back up his claims of a town practically full of white Brits which coincidentally happens to be a ****hole, how convenient yet it is accepted as fact, while Tozzie has to back up all her post with facts and figures, only on TiBB I'm an immigrant but I can see that not all immigrants contribute in a positive way to the community same as all natives don't, to claim otherwise is absurd

Not the case at all.

Tozzie made a point based on anecdotal evidence. TS then made the opposite point based on anecdotal evidence. Thus showing anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not the case at all.

Tozzie made a point based on anecdotal evidence. TS then made the opposite point based on anecdotal evidence. Thus showing anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything.

Was TS asked to back up his evidence with statistics? Nope

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Was TS asked to back up his evidence with statistics? Nope

He was engaged in an anecdotal discussion with Tozzie. If that was the basis Tozzie wanted to discuss the subject then that was the form TS's rebuttal would take place.

For either of them and that discussion to have any factual basis then, yes, both would need actual facts and figures.

As it was Tozzie tried to use his own experience as evidence of a country wide problem. TS experience of the opposite showed it mustn't be BASED ON ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.

Let's put things into context.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It doesn't prove anything, TS is just speaking from his experience, he has posted no facts to back it up, he hasn't been asked to produce a 2011 census to back up his claims of a town practically full of white Brits which coincidentally happens to be a ****hole, how convenient yet it is accepted as fact, while Tozzie has to back up all her post with facts and figures, only on TiBB I'm an immigrant but I can see that not all immigrants contribute in a positive way to the community same as all natives don't, to claim otherwise is absurd

Nobody's claiming otherwise.

Of course there's some who don't contribute positively. It's the same in all walks of life throughout the human race.

But to claim the majority are causing trouble and that immigrants as a whole are a problem requires statistical proof. Especially when he's claiming green card marriages are some kind of epidemic. That requires proof too.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Nobody's claiming otherwise.

Of course there's some who don't contribute positively. It's the same in all walks of life throughout the human race.

But to claim the majority are causing trouble and that immigrants as a whole are a problem requires statistical proof. Especially when he's claiming green card marriages are some kind of epidemic. That requires proof too.

Nobody said they caused trouble I think the claim was the cultural feel of the area had changed?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nobody said they caused trouble I think the claim was the cultural feel of the area had changed?

Apples and oranges. He mentioned his father not feeling it was very friendly, all of the neighbours faces being foreign. The tone and description suggests it's not a positive thing.

He also mentioned the number of greencard marriages. That's not a positive thing.

If the only change is the skin colours are getting darker then the discussion is even more ridiculous than I first thought.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Apples and oranges. He mentioned his father not feeling it was very friendly, all of the neighbours faces being foreign. The tone and description suggests it's not a positive thing.

He also mentioned the number of greencard marriages. That's not a positive thing.

If the only change is the skin colours are getting darker then the discussion is even more ridiculous than I first thought.

the things I mentioned may not be positive things but its fact. Green card marriages happen The fact my father feeling sadness how he feels his country has gone into decline in his last years of life is a negative thing, why would I feel positive about my 84 years old father feeling sad about how life as he knows it has changed. If the only change is the skin colours are getting darker, now I find that a ridiculous thing to say, it's to do with many things changing.