[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

There are 37 references to Hopkins in this thread and 15 to Farage, that includes times a post mentioning them was quoted and time where both names were mentioned were counted twice

You would rather talk about the likes of Farage and Hopkins, than any progressive bore-fest.

It's because what they say is interesting, and you can probably see a bit of truth at the end of the tunnel.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

You would rather talk about the likes of Farage and Hopkins, than any progressive bore-fest.

It's because what they say is interesting, and you can probably see a bit of truth at the end of the tunnel.

What they say is usually offensive and hypocritical rather than interesting from what I've heard (mainly Hopkins, I haven't really listened to much of anything Nigel farage said) it get's people commenting because they rile people up. Katie is nothing more than shock tactic band wagon jumping leech. Literally her "talent" is annoying people

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

You would rather talk about the likes of Farage and Hopkins, than any progressive bore-fest.

It's because what they say is interesting, and you can probably see a bit of truth at the end of the tunnel.

I havent talked about them though, hardly anyone on this thread has lol. A rough estimate would be about 30 different posts (out of ~230) made by about 9 different users (out of 29) have done so. It wasnt the OP that enticed me, it was the posts made within it.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

I havent talked about them though, hardly anyone on this thread has lol. A rough estimate would be about 30 different posts (out of ~230) made by about 9 different users (out of 29) have done so. It wasnt the OP that enticed me, it was the posts made within it.

Well then you should stop trolling and stick on topic.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Well then you should stop trolling and stick on topic.

The topic was soooo 200 posts ago. We're now talking about fish and chips in Pakistan. Sounds delicious, sign me up.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

The topic was soooo 200 posts ago. We're now talking about fish and chips in Pakistan. Sounds delicious, sign me up.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What they say is usually offensive and hypocritical rather than interesting from what I've heard (mainly Hopkins, I haven't really listened to much of anything Nigel farage said) it get's people commenting because they rile people up. Katie is nothing more than shock tactic band wagon jumping leech. Literally her "talent" is annoying people

That's a plus, most good comedy is.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

That's a plus, most good comedy is.

Well atleast you admit that they're a pair of clowns

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It doesn't prove anything, TS is just speaking from his experience, he has posted no facts to back it up, he hasn't been asked to produce a 2011 census to back up his claims of a town practically full of white Brits which coincidentally happens to be a ****hole, how convenient yet it is accepted as fact, while Tozzie has to back up all her post with facts and figures, only on TiBB I'm an immigrant but I can see that not all immigrants contribute in a positive way to the community same as all natives don't, to claim otherwise is absurd

Not the case at all.

Tozzie made a point based on anecdotal evidence. TS then made the opposite point based on anecdotal evidence. Thus showing anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It doesn't prove anything, TS is just speaking from his experience, he has posted no facts to back it up, he hasn't been asked to produce a 2011 census to back up his claims of a town practically full of white Brits which coincidentally happens to be a ****hole, how convenient yet it is accepted as fact, while Tozzie has to back up all her post with facts and figures, only on TiBB I'm an immigrant but I can see that not all immigrants contribute in a positive way to the community same as all natives don't, to claim otherwise is absurd

Nobody's claiming otherwise.

Of course there's some who don't contribute positively. It's the same in all walks of life throughout the human race.

But to claim the majority are causing trouble and that immigrants as a whole are a problem requires statistical proof. Especially when he's claiming green card marriages are some kind of epidemic. That requires proof too.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not the case at all.

Tozzie made a point based on anecdotal evidence. TS then made the opposite point based on anecdotal evidence. Thus showing anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything.

Was TS asked to back up his evidence with statistics? Nope

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Nobody's claiming otherwise.

Of course there's some who don't contribute positively. It's the same in all walks of life throughout the human race.

But to claim the majority are causing trouble and that immigrants as a whole are a problem requires statistical proof. Especially when he's claiming green card marriages are some kind of epidemic. That requires proof too.

Nobody said they caused trouble I think the claim was the cultural feel of the area had changed?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Was TS asked to back up his evidence with statistics? Nope

He was engaged in an anecdotal discussion with Tozzie. If that was the basis Tozzie wanted to discuss the subject then that was the form TS's rebuttal would take place.

For either of them and that discussion to have any factual basis then, yes, both would need actual facts and figures.

As it was Tozzie tried to use his own experience as evidence of a country wide problem. TS experience of the opposite showed it mustn't be BASED ON ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.

Let's put things into context.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nobody said they caused trouble I think the claim was the cultural feel of the area had changed?

Apples and oranges. He mentioned his father not feeling it was very friendly, all of the neighbours faces being foreign. The tone and description suggests it's not a positive thing.

He also mentioned the number of greencard marriages. That's not a positive thing.

If the only change is the skin colours are getting darker then the discussion is even more ridiculous than I first thought.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Apples and oranges. He mentioned his father not feeling it was very friendly, all of the neighbours faces being foreign. The tone and description suggests it's not a positive thing.

He also mentioned the number of greencard marriages. That's not a positive thing.

If the only change is the skin colours are getting darker then the discussion is even more ridiculous than I first thought.

the things I mentioned may not be positive things but its fact. Green card marriages happen The fact my father feeling sadness how he feels his country has gone into decline in his last years of life is a negative thing, why would I feel positive about my 84 years old father feeling sad about how life as he knows it has changed. If the only change is the skin colours are getting darker, now I find that a ridiculous thing to say, it's to do with many things changing.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

the things I mentioned may not be positive things but its fact. Green card marriages happen The fact my father feeling sadness how he feels his country has gone into decline in his last years of life is a negative thing, why would I feel positive about my 84 years old father feeling sad about how life as he knows it has changed. If the only change is the skin colours are getting darker, now I find that a ridiculous thing to say, it's to do with many things changing.

I never said you should feel positive.
I was responding to Cherie who said nobody said anything was negative about it.

Obviously you felt negatively about these things you've experienced so I told that was what I was referring to.

The only thing I would say is, yes, green card marriages happen. But are they a large scale problem? To suggest they are requires facts and figures. Otherwise it's just a couple of unfortunate incidents you yourself have known.

I don't really venture into this part of the forum much as every time I do I spend most of the thread having to explain the context of a discussion with one forum member to somebody else who ventures in later despite the context of discussion being there on the page for everyone to read. Therefore less time spent discussing the actual topic. It's exhausting.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never said you should feel positive.
I was responding to Cherie who said nobody said anything was negative about it.

Obviously you felt negatively about these things you've experienced so I told that was what I was referring to.

The only thing I would say is, yes, green card marriages happen. But are they a large scale problem? To suggest they are requires facts and figures. Otherwise it's just a couple of unfortunate incidents you yourself have known.

I don't really venture into this part of the forum much as every time I do I spend most of the thread having to explain the context of a discussion with one forum member to somebody else who ventures in later despite the context of discussion being there on the page for everyone to read. Therefore less time spent discussing the actual topic. It's exhausting.

I didn't say nobody said anything negative I said no one said they were trouble no wonder you find it exhausting when you can't follow what has been said

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I didn't say nobody said anything negative I said no one said they were trouble no wonder you find it exhausting when you can't follow what has been said

Foreigners marrying Brits for visas and moving their extended family over isn't trouble?

Ok.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never said you should feel positive.
I was responding to Cherie who said nobody said anything was negative about it.

Obviously you felt negatively about these things you've experienced so I told that was what I was referring to.

The only thing I would say is, yes, green card marriages happen. But are they a large scale problem? To suggest they are requires facts and figures. Otherwise it's just a couple of unfortunate incidents you yourself have known.

I don't really venture into this part of the forum much as every time I do I spend most of the thread having to explain the context of a discussion with one forum member to somebody else who ventures in later despite the context of discussion being there on the page for everyone to read. Therefore less time spent discussing the actual topic. It's exhausting.

I have to admit, this forum is exhausting and sometimes infuriating

I don't have facts and figures, I was making reference that it does happen because some muslims have their spouses chosen for them so they go over and bring them back here.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I have to admit, this forum is exhausting and sometimes infuriating

I don't have facts and figures, I was making reference that it does happen because some muslims have their spouses chosen for them so they go over and bring them back here.

Which is what I said.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Wonder if you can get fish and chips in Pakistan?

Originally Posted by Kazanne

LOL, it's nice to know our national dish is on the menu

So you see the UK having curry houses as an invasion of our culture, but think it's cute that Pakistan has fish and chip shops rather than it being, well, a lasting symbol of British colonialism?

[Beso]

There already are fish and chip.shops in pakistan

[Marsh.]

British "culture" is/was an amalgamation of stolen traditions and cultures anyway.

That's what happens on the world, things blend together and make new history and traditions. It's always happened and always will.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

British "culture" is/was an amalgamation of stolen traditions and cultures anyway.

That's what happens on the world, things blend together and make new history and traditions. It's always happened and always will.

Incorrect Britain has been exactly the same for several thousand years. The chippy near me has been open for over 900.

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

British "culture" is/was an amalgamation of stolen traditions and cultures anyway.

That's what happens on the world, things blend together and make new history and traditions. It's always happened and always will.

I don't see much blending. Sometimes belief systems are just too different.