[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a pathetic attempt to hang on tooth and claw to our colonialist past, we didn't have this hoo ha over Hong Kong...because we wouldn't effing DARE!

You want out of the EU fine! Give Spain it's bloody rock back an foff!

It's only in the main the territory politicians want to hold onto or get.

The views of those living there don't really matter so much very sadly.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It's only in the main the territory politicians want to hold onto or get.

The views of those living there don't really matter so much very sadly.

If the views of the people didn't matter why were Gibraltar able to choose in 2002?
If you are referring to Hong Kong it was leased to us and the lease ran out.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If the views of the people didn't matter why were Gibraltar able to choose in 2002?
If you are referring to Hong Kong it was leased to us and the lease ran out.

That sounds horrible, to lease out a persons homeland to another country. Gross.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That sounds horrible, to lease out a persons homeland to another country. Gross.

Attitudes in the past when these kind of agreements and treaties were made were very different. I think the UK did own part of the island but 90% of the land of Hong Kong was part of the lease which was also tied up in an international treaty so there wasn't much choice but to leave Hong Kong.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That sounds horrible, to lease out a persons homeland to another country. Gross.

Even worse at the end of said period,when the vast majority in Hong Kong wanted things to stay as they had been for all that time, for no attempt to do anything on their behalf.

As for Gibraltar,as long as those living there support being part of the UK.
That's fine but their overwhelming view on the EU,and they are far closer to mainland Europe,that doesn't matter a jot to The UK govt or some voters of The UK either.

Selective support and consideration comes to mind.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Even worse at the end if said period,when the vast majority in Hong Kong wanted things to stay as they had been for all that time, for no attempt to do anything on their behalf.

As for Gibraltar,as long as those living there support being part of the UK.
That's fine but their overwhelming view on the EU,and they are far closer to mainland Europe,that doesn't matter a jot to The UK govt or some voters of The UK either.

Selective support and consideration comes to mind.

A great deal was done on their behalf which is why Hong Kong has a unique status with being one country two systems. Hong Kong has it's own political system.

[In the Drunk Tank]

At the time I think the 99 year lease was symbolic really and a way of allowing China's rulers to save face, back then it wasn't thought that Hong Kong would actually return to China after that time but obviously the UK and China were very different countries in the 1980s than they were in 1890s

Not sure why its considered colonial of the UK to defend Gibraltar's British status given the strength of feeling there that they want to remain British. There is next to zero will in Gibraltar to return to Spanish rule despite the Brexit vote and surely Spain is the one with colonial pretensions in trying to claim the land

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

At the time I think the 99 year lease was symbolic really and a way of allowing China's rulers to save face, back then it wasn't thought that Hong Kong would actually return to China after that time but obviously the UK and China were very different countries in the 1980s than they were in 1890s

Not sure why its considered colonial of the UK to defend Gibraltar's British status given the strength of feeling there that they want to remain British. There is next to zero will in Gibraltar to return to Spanish rule despite the Brexit vote and surely Spain is the one with colonial pretensions in trying to claim the land

Since when did we give two hoots about the 'strength of feeling' here or anywhere in the world?

Our PM can't get her head around our constitutional obligations so some treaty will be of no interest whatsoever.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Since when did we give two hoots about the 'strength of feeling' here or anywhere in the world?

Our PM can't get her head around our constitutional obligations so some treaty will be of no interest whatsoever.

You really don't know how lucky you are to be British. You should read more.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You really don't know ow how lucky you are to be British. You should read more.

I did...