[Withano]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yeah i walk around all day calling handicapped people defective

Do you have any input on the topic?
My only input really is that I think this guy is taking these hyper-PC people a lot more seriously than the average person, and thats his issue. Hes just another angry voice. I cant imagine the average self-proclaimed PC person would use these terminologies, him believing that they do just seems naive on his part.
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[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Withano

Do you have any input on the topic?
My only input really is that I think this guy is taking these hyper-PC people a lot more seriously than the average person, and thats his issue. Hes just another angry voice. I cant imagine the average self-proclaimed PC person would use these terminologies, him believing that they do just seems naive on his part.
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I think he has a point.There are people who want to police language in this way and other people who are so scared they're going to offend people that they adhere to this rubbish.
People should be free to use language how they like and let experience,conscience and common sense dictate how they use language in future.
Not have people try to tell you what you're allowed to say.
You might inadvertently say something that offends somebody and then think 'oh ****,I won't say that to them again' but you've learned from your mistake.
On the other hand the next guy might not be offended and possibly be more offended by you pussy footing round them thinking of stupid long winded phrases to say.Thus treating them differently.
Policing language is really only one step away from policing thought.It shouldn't be a thing in a free democratic society.
It's not too dis-similar to blasphemy laws in middle eastern countries.
There's something going on in Canada at the moment with a new bill to amend the human rights act for transgenders.Basically if you disagree that terms like 'non binary' or 'gender fluid' are real then you can get in trouble for hate crime or if you don't use 'gender pronouns' like 'ze' or 'zir' instead of he or she then you could land in trouble.
A law forcing people to use certain words is dictatorial.This is what happens when political correctness goes too far.

And thanks

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think he has a point.There are people who want to police language in this way and other people who are so scared they're going to offend people that they adhere to this rubbish.
People should be free to use language how they like and let experience,conscience and common sense dictate how they use language in future.
Not have people try to tell you what you're allowed to say.
You might inadvertently say something that offends somebody and then think 'oh ****,I won't say that to them again' but you've learned from your mistake.
On the other hand the next guy might not be offended and possibly be more offended by you pussy footing round them thinking of stupid long winded phrases to say.Thus treating them differently.
Policing language is really only one step away from policing thought.It shouldn't be a thing in a free democratic society.
It's not too dis-similar to blasphemy laws in middle eastern countries.
There's something going on in Canada at the moment with a new bill to amend the human rights act for transgenders.Basically if you disagree that terms like 'non binary' or 'gender fluid' are real then you can get in trouble for hate crime or if you don't use 'gender pronouns' like 'ze' or 'zir' instead of he or she then you could land in trouble.
A law forcing people to use certain words is dictatorial.This is what happens when political correctness goes too far.

And thanks

But even in this thread alone, you've policed your own language? And I'm presuming you'd be a bit taken aback if you heard somebody use language that you wouldnt personally use because of the lines and boundaries that you have set yourself?
Seems like there is just more of a common sense approach to language instead of a PC culture that dictates language to me. And this is evident because non-PC people also reframe from some words to avoid insulting others.
Culture will change, and language will adapt, and I dont think this has anything to do with political correctness, its just that all people (PC, non-PC, and everyone inbetween) wants to avoid insulting others where they can.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

But even in this thread alone, you've policed your own language? And I'm presuming you'd be a bit taken aback if you heard somebody use language that you wouldnt personally use because of the lines and boundaries that you have set yourself?
Seems like there is just more of a common sense approach to language instead of a PC culture that dictates language to me. And this is evident because non-PC people also reframe from some words to avoid insulting others.
Culture will change, and language will adapt, and I dont think this has anything to do with political correctness, its just that all people (PC, non-PC, and everyone inbetween) wants to avoid insulting others where they can.

Severe appearance deficit instead of ugly - yes real common sense that.

PC is for control freaks and/or lap dogs who can't think for themselves and need 'encouragement' to think the 'right' way according to those who have nothing better to do but come up with ridiculous 'replacement' names for perfectly reasonable ones. There were some awful words used in the past such as mongols, cretins and spastics and the use of such words was phased out, and rightly so, but handicapped and many others used today are perfectly reasonable words.

Of course people shouldn't be able to just blatantly offend people with the use of offensive words but the replacement of perfectly acceptable words such as handicapped for physically defective is sheer stupidity. Defective is a horrible word - I would rather be called physically handicapped, if disabled, than physically defective. Another word increasingly being used is 'challenged' i.e. Physically challenged which I would put on a par with 'incapable' or 'useless' which personally I find much more offensive. Each to their own but the point being the words being 'replaced' are not offensive words - just some trying to exert their opinion over others by the use of dubious methods.

People have to challenge such nonsense just as PC attempts to challenge the establishment - we can't have one rule for one and another for another can we.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Severe appearance deficit instead of ugly - yes real common sense that.

There were some awful words used in the past such as mongols, cretins and spastics and the use of such words was phased out, and rightly so, but handicapped and many others used today are perfectly reasonable words.

Of course people shouldn't be able to just blatantly offend people with the use of offensive words but the replacement of perfectly acceptable words such as handicapped for physically defective is sheer stupidity. Defective is a horrible word - I would rather be called physically handicapped, if disabled, than physically defective. Another word increasingly being used is 'challenged' i.e. Physically challenged which I would put on a par with 'incapable' or 'useless' which personally I find much more offensive.

I agree with everything I've left. These were basically my points throughout the thread. Nobody is taking these hyper-PC people seriously apart from the bloke in the video, and perhaps you. Severe appearance deficit seems like a joke haha. It isnt common sense to call ugly people 'severe appearance deficit' which is why the phrase never coined on, I believe the speech is a few decades old.

And yes nobody wants to blatantly offend. PC people dont want to offend, non-PC people dont want to offend, everybody inbetween do not want to offend, you just repeated my point. It is because of this that language cant be due to PC culture, language is just common sense.

You too are policing language, and you're not PC? So this entire thread is getting a bit silly. You've even made suggestions on words that other people shouldnt use, I have a feeling the bloke in the video would label you as PC, but you're not, language has nothing to do with political correctness.

if you believe as a non-PC person that there are horrible and offensive words, its because there is a common sense approach to language. it doesn't make you PC to find it offensive when people call certain groups certain words, it is just common sense not to call them it.