[Tom4784]

This is nothing new, a lot of the challenges of Brexit were made apparent before the vote but people brought into the lie that we don't need the EU but the EU needs us. People who voted with that mindset are in for a vicious wake up call.

I say bring it on, hopefully people will learn from the carnage to make informed decisions in future.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is nothing new, a lot of the challenges of Brexit were made apparent before the vote but people brought into the lie that we don't need the EU but the EU needs us. People who voted with that mindset are in for a vicious wake up call.

I say bring it on, hopefully people will learn from the carnage to make informed decisions in future.

Talk about counting your chickens. The outcome is two years' away - a lot can happen in that time.

Nothing wrong with the mindset of those that voted out. Time will tell about your predicted wake-up call - having to eat one's words is never very appetising.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Talk about counting your chickens. The outcome is two years' away - a lot can happen in that time.

Nothing wrong with the mindset of those that voted out. Time will tell about your predicted wake-up call - having to eat one's words is never very appetising.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Talk about counting your chickens. The outcome is two years' away - a lot can happen in that time.

Nothing wrong with the mindset of those that voted out. Time will tell about your predicted wake-up call - having to eat one's words is never very appetising.

Be careful, you don't want to get sand in your ears.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Talk about counting your chickens. The outcome is two years' away - a lot can happen in that time.

More like turkeys voting for Christmas!

The contradiction in the timing is potentially catastrophic because the governments flawed analysis that we can leave the EU without any proper negotiations for future trade in place leaves us with no credible negotiation strategy.

Nothing wrong with the mindset of those that voted out. Time will tell about your predicted wake-up call - having to eat one's words is never very appetising.

I voted out but I'm aware that the leave victory was a narrow one and there is no evidence to suggest that the many leave voters were in favour of such an extreme outcome. The leave campaigners explicitly promised that withdrawal from the EU wouldn’t include leaving the single market and the customs union.

Its obvious that a large proportion of the country don’t support government plans.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

More like turkeys voting for Christmas!




I voted out but I'm aware that the leave victory was a narrow one and there is no evidence to suggest that the many leave voters were in favour of such an extreme outcome. The leave campaigners explicitly promised that withdrawal from the EU wouldn’t include leaving the single market and the customs union.

Its obvious that a large proportion of the country don’t support government plans.

There is also no evidence to suggest they weren't or that they would be particularly phased by it either. I believe that most voted for in or out - that was it. All the talk about the single market, hard brexit, soft brexit came later.

I think some people like to think they more knowledgeable/intelligent than the majority of voters and particularly like to label those that voted out as gullible, stupid etc. This of course is not true, just intimidation tactics and agendas. Remoaners, devious lot that they are, preyed on the financial insecurities of the lower earners and unemployed in attempt to get them to change their votes. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't.

Maybe many people wanted out even if it might be a difficult ride. Things can't get much worse in this country in many ways.

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[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

There is also no evidence to suggest they weren't or that they would be particularly phased by it either. I believe that most voted for in or out - that was it. All the talk about the single market, hard brexit, soft brexit came later.

I think some people like to think they more knowledgeable/intelligent than the majority of voters and particularly like to label those that voted out as gullible, stupid etc. This of course is not true, just intimidation tactics and agendas. Remoaners, devious lot that they are, preyed on the financial insecurities of the lower earners and unemployed in attempt to get them to change their votes. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't.

Maybe many people wanted out even if it might be a difficult ride. Things can't get much worse in this country in many ways.

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Keep it at base level Brillo. It keeps the debate circles turning.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The leave campaigners explicitly promised that withdrawal from the EU wouldn’t include leaving the single market and the customs union

No.

Infact even remainers said that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market.

Youtube video

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

No.

Infact even remainers said that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market.

Youtube video

Correct there was no confirmation of what would happen to the single market until very recently, it was one of the questions that couldnt be answered until a decision was made on soft/hard Brexit

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

No.

Infact even remainers said that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market.

Youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market"
Daniel Hannan MEP

"Only a madman would actually leave the single Market"
Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

"Wouldn’t it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They’re rich. They’re happy. They’re self-governing"
Nigel Farage, Ukip leader

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market"
Daniel Hannan MEP

"Only a madman would actually leave the single Market"
Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

"Wouldn’t it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They’re rich. They’re happy. They’re self-governing"
Nigel Farage, Ukip leader

I'll say again. We voted to leave the EU. The single market is part of the EU. Therefore we voted to leave the single market. That doesn't mean we can't have a new deal but people have to let go of trying to cling to bits of the EU.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'll say again. We voted to leave the EU. The single market is part of the EU. Therefore we voted to leave the single market. That doesn't mean we can't have a new deal but people have to let go of trying to cling to bits of the EU.

Except that there ARE non EU members in the single market already. You talk like they're one thing. They're not.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is nothing new, a lot of the challenges of Brexit were made apparent before the vote but people brought into the lie that we don't need the EU but the EU needs us. People who voted with that mindset are in for a vicious wake up call.

I say bring it on, hopefully people will learn from the carnage to make informed decisions in future.

I wouldn't count on people learning lessons from it they'll just find a scapegoat and pass the blame onto something else, couldn't possibly be that they voted against the country's interests.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I wouldn't count on people learning lessons from it they'll just find a scapegoat and pass the blame onto something else, couldn't possibly be that they voted against the country's interests.

I'd say you are absolutely right in all you say in your post.