[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I kind of agree with your post but I think telling women what they can and can't wear (unless for security reasons) is the wrong way to go about it. It's pretty much doing what their religion/husbands etc etc is doing to them. I think just living in the West and having the law backing women and their rights should help them in making a decision themselves on whether they want to stay living this way or not, it may take a generation or more but atleast it will be a choice they came to themselves and that's the best way to do it I think.

I do get where you're coming and don't disagree with that in principle but can't help feeling that we are complicit in the oppression by allowing it to carry on 'under our roofs'.

I come back to things like adopting and respecting the values of the country you choose to live in and the wearing of niqabs and Burkhas definitely does not Do this.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I do get where you're coming and don't disagree with that in principle but can't help feeling that we are complicit in the oppression by allowing it to carry on 'under our roofs'.

I come back to things like adopting and respecting the values of the country you choose to live in and the wearing of niqabs and Burkhas definitely does not Do this.

I think the only way you can help people who are oppressed is by giving them another option that's fully backed by the law and give them support should they choose to break away from family/religion etc It's not healthy to decide for a woman that her clothes are wrong and a symbol of oppression and then oppress her in the same way by telling her what she can and cannot wear.

Ugh I can't word what i want to say very well, what I mean is, she will never be really free from oppression unless she can make these kind of choices herself

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think the only way you can help people who are oppressed is by giving them another option that's fully backed by the law and give them support should they choose to break away from family/religion etc It's not healthy to decide for a woman that her clothes are wrong and a symbol of oppression and then oppress her in the same way by telling her what she can and cannot wear.

Ugh I can't word what i want to say very well, what I mean is, she will never be really free from oppression unless she can make these kind of choices herself

So men need to butt out and just let women dress how they want,a lot of women are conditioned from birth in certain countries that the male is the more supreme of the species and they have to be subservient.plus I do think when you decide to live in a different country and culture you should have the decency to at least live by their rules and respect their traditions.we are tole that when we visit some countries not to wear certain clothes and cover up which most of us comply with.we are just saying that in the UK most of us don't think the burka(full head covering) is not needed or wanted.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So men need to butt out and just let women dress how they want,a lot of women are conditioned from birth in certain countries that the male is the more supreme of the species and they have to be subservient.plus I do think when you decide to live in a different country and culture you should have the decency to at least live by their rules and respect their traditions.we are tole that when we visit some countries not to wear certain clothes and cover up which most of us comply with.we are just saying that in the UK most of us don't think the burka(full head covering) is not needed or wanted.

I understand what you're saying but banning certain items of clothing (except for security reasons) is making "us" as "bad as them" Yes i believe oppressive clothing like the Burka are there to keep women under control but the way to change that is not to force women to take them off when they're probably not psychologically ready to do that instead to give them the choice to do so if they want to that they may not have in stricter Muslim countries.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I understand what you're saying but banning certain items of clothing (except for security reasons) is making "us" as "bad as them" Yes i believe oppressive clothing like the Burka are there to keep women under control but the way to change that is not to force women to take them off when they're probably not psychologically ready to do that instead to give them the choice to do so if they want to that they may not have in stricter Muslim countries.

But legally they already have the choice not to wear it

The only way to stop them being forced to wear it is to ban it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

But legally they already have the choice not to wear it

The only way to stop them being forced to wear it is to ban it.

I know that and they choose to wear it, maybe in a generation or so, women will be able to free themselves of it after living with other women in this society.

Your solution is to force them to stop wearing it, same thing as being forced to wear something.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know that and they choose to wear it, maybe in a generation or so, women will be able to free themselves of it after living with other women in this society.

Your solution is to force them to stop wearing it, same thing as being forced to wear something.

I'd tell em they can wear at home,in the garden or in bed with the hubby if that's what floats their boat.Just not out in public.