[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Or he's just entitled to his opinion like everyone else? Not a surprise to see you trying to shut it down though.

no not at all, i just can't like him, no matter how hard i try

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Ignorant? what am I ignoring?

I'm not the one ignoring grooming paedophile rape gangs, because I don't want to be called names.

This....doesn't seem relevant to anything? I think you've put 2 and 2 together and came up with 98.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Or he's just entitled to his opinion like everyone else? Not a surprise to see you trying to shut it down though.

He is not important, neither is his opinion informed or knowledgable - he has a sense of entitlement as a manufactured pop 'star' thinking anyone cares.

[Marsh.]

You have to be deemed "important" to have an opinion on your own country's politics?

[Nicky91]

lol

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

He is not important, neither is his opinion informed or knowledgable - he has a sense of entitlement as a manufactured pop 'star' thinking anyone cares.

You realise youve made 9 posts (more than anybody else) in relation to someone you deem unimportant.. kinda suggests the opposite, and thats coming from someone who dislikes the lad!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

You realise youve made 9 posts (more than anybody else) in relation to someone you deem unimportant.. kinda suggests the opposite, and thats coming from someone who dislikes the lad!

At least I don't count peoples' posts - how odd! Each to their own!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

At least I don't count peoples' posts - how odd! Each to their own!

(I didn't count, theres a list that tells you)

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

(I didn't count, theres a list that tells you)

Why would you check a list - still odd in my opinion.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why would you check a list - still odd in my opinion.

Because you have made a noticably high number of posts on a topic you deemed unimportant, so I checked the figure to guage just how silly your post was. FYI: very silly.
Not only do you find it important, you find it more important than every other member on the website!
Call me names all you want luv.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Bullsiht. When I saw that pregnant African woman who had a small child with her, being shouted at by a racist bigot, that was both hate and a crime (bias-motivated crime). Its not a crime to shout at someone but it is a crime to shout racial slurs at someone. The word "hate" or "bias motivated" is just a description on the sort of crime it comes under.

You seem to see more people being abused than the rest of TiBB put together, it was a woman selling the Big Issue last week

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You see to see more people being abused than the rest of TiBB put together

Excuse me? you wouldn't be accusing me of lying by any chance? Tell you what, why don't you go and look through my posts because I'll guarantee you find a post (not too far back) about a white man verbally abusing a black pregnant African woman with a child in my doctors surgery.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Adam.

not even in the top 5

Give it time.
It hasn't even happened yet.
It'll easily be deserving of the #1 worst decision by the time the rot really sets in.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's really not that frightening, you want to try being called a bigot, racsist, islamaphobe and Nazi just for not liking the unelected EU and wanting to no longer be part of it.

The terrifying thing is, grooming rape gangs being ignored, while people are put in prison for putting a couple of rashers of bacon on a building.

Not that I support any kind of pork baiting, but still, very good point.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Alf

Hate crime is just a word, that has been made up in recent years, to control.

There's no such thing, a crime is called, a crime, the hate word has just been added by people who are anti-equality.

Yeah, someone 'crimed' my neighbours house a few years back. I would have said they 'burgled' it but now you've cleared up the fact that names to describe specific crimes don't exist now i'll be careful not to.

Just 'wow'.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Yeah, someone 'crimed' my neighbours house a few years back. I would have said they 'burgled' it but now you've cleared up the fact that names to describe specific crimes don't exist now i'll be careful not to.

Just 'wow'.

That isn't what was said. Exaggeration or what!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Jack_ you are amazing.

I feel little need to say much at all because you not only list my thoughts but expand on the points of things too.

I agree,the referendum campaign last year was the ugliest,sometimes scary and worrying campaign I had come across.
It has not got better since,as you say, either.

The intolerance is unbelievable at times and all it does for politics and in fact for the UK overall is drag all down.
It really is,in my view,I stress my view,and should be really worrying.

Thank you, I'm glad you agree. The Tories are of course determined to make this election all about Brexit and they're going to succeed, it seems even a year on we're still divided into 'remoaners' or 'racists' - all political discourse at the moment is so toxic and nasty.

Like I said, you daren't offer any kind of opposition to the referendum result, or even the terms in which we'll be leaving - because otherwise you're a 'saboteur', a 'traitor', an 'enemy of the people'. What really gets me the most is that everyone's favourite wanker Nigel Farage explicitly said that a 48/52 result for Remain 'would be unfinished business by a long way', and yet the same result in reverse means that 16 million people must now all put up and shut up, because democracy begins and ends on polling day. It's pathetic, it's scary, and it's not good for democracy.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sorry Jack but I disagree with a lot of that. Look how PC has encroached on Western society with aggression and put-downs being a common response to any opposition to political correctness. PC is against free speech in one breath but stifles it in another. That double standard hypocrisy constantly winds me up.

Much as I dislike the likes of Gina Miller I would never condone harrassment or threats as that is always unacceptable from both sides. You will always get that element on both sides of the political agenda. To suggest the Remain campaign/voters are the 'good guys' and the Leave 'campaigners/voters the 'bad guys' is blinkered.

Just like you often get a lot of violence etc at many kinds of marches and protests - such behaviour usually comes from opportunist thugs just seizing the chance to cause trouble and intimidate people. The organisers of such events often complain how it wasn't their supporters causing the problems but opportunist thugs. The same probably applies to those making such threats. Assumptions are being made on a mass scale here. In my experience thugs aren't usually politically minded.

Judging by the response of many 'remoaners' with some even disrespecting a public vote, and therefore democracy, by attempting to overturn the vote speaks volumes and demonstrates what lengths they will go to to try and get their own way.

There are no innocents in politics.

As I've discussed with you before, and as another thread has usefully illustrated, 'political correctness' is not the sole domain of those on the left. In fact, it's often those on the right who are in favour of censorship in terms of television. Mary Whitehouse was certainly no lefty. Indeed, as I pointed out to you a few weeks ago, it's usually also those on the right who chastise comedians for daring to make so-called 'offensive' jokes, and demand that they be blacklisted from the media or even prosecuted for their jokes. Hardly proponents of free speech, eh? Sounds very snowflakey...

With regards to the referendum, democracy does not begin and end with a public vote. Democracy encompasses the right to protest, the right to create petitions, the right to express your opposition, the right to campaign for what one believes is a good deal for us to depart with, and so on and so forth. And yet these very people are being vilified by the tabloid press and berated on social media. In the aftermath of a general election, the opposition party does not then pack up shop and leave the government to it. Those who didn't vote for the incumbents aren't suddenly silenced, and forced to swallow the proverbial dick of the new government. That's not how democracy works, nor should it. And the referendum works in exactly the same way. We are leaving the European Union. The terms of which are up for discussion. People are entitled to still say that they think it's a terrible idea, and that it should be rerun, or that there's better ways of going about getting a deal than the ones Theresa May and co are proposing. The incessant 'saboteurs' rhetoric is as divisive as it is anti-democratic.

And this was precisely my point in my original post:

Originally Posted by Brillopad

He is not important, neither is his opinion informed or knowledgable - he has a sense of entitlement as a manufactured pop 'star' thinking anyone cares.

How do you know if his opinion is informed or knowledgeable or not? Do you monitor whether Harry Styles reads up on the nuances of EU legislation and the like in his spare time? Are you aware of whether or not he's researched the consequences? How could you possibly know this? Why is he 'entitled' for giving his opinion on political affairs when asked about it in an interview? He's a British citizen, just because he's in the public eye it doesn't mean he's not entitled to an opinion or to express that opinion. If anything, the more celebrities with young fanbases talk about politics, the more young people may become more involved in politics - that can only be a good thing, but I'm sure you'll disagree because they aren't old, 'experienced' or, crucially, likely to be in favour of Brexit.

Originally Posted by Alf

It's really not that frightening, you want to try being called a bigot, racsist, islamaphobe and Nazi just for not liking the unelected EU and wanting to no longer be part of it.

The terrifying thing is, grooming rape gangs being ignored, while people are put in prison for putting a couple of rashers of bacon on a building.

I don't agree with everyone who voted to leave being labelled a bigot or a racist, I think it's lazy, pushes people away, and fails to address the real reasons - thirty years in the making - of why things like this and Trump's election are happening.

However, if you don't think that people being called 'saboteurs' and 'enemies of the people' for daring to express their opposition to the referendum result is scary and a dangerous road, then I'm afraid you're just wrong. It's fascist nonsense.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I genuinely ****ing hate this place these days. Not just like "oh no it's good as it used to be" - actually hate it.

It's a ****ing ****heap, but it's like a microcosm of what's going on outside of the this place in the "real world". The whole thing makes me sick.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

why does Harry Styles have to mention his opinion on something like this

Because he can, it's good he's actually taken an interest.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yeah, he really isn't


i also don't really like his song sign of the times, it reminds me a bit of space oddity and life on mars, in the instrumentals


Harry ''overrated celebrity'' Styles

Well luckily for Harry he has millions of fans,I am one of them, I am sure you disliking him will leave him bereft i know what you mean though I tried to like Georgina aswell but I just couldn't she was awful,at least Harry IS a celebrity and like him or not he is as much entitalled to give his opinion than anyone else.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

It is pretty that Harry Styles has caused one of the biggest debates on tibb in ages.

I guess in relation to the OP, I think hes entited to his opinion, and it is just as valid as anybody elses... but I think he should expand on the point.. Hes saying what he thinks, but he isnt saying why.

Do you mean, what's the message?

Well the message is, he's got a new album coming out, and he'll do whatever he can to promote it, because he wants to make some money.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Do you mean, what's the message?

Well the message is, he's got a new album coming out, and he'll do whatever he can to promote it, because he wants to make some money.

Bit of a controversial tactic! But publicity sells, so perhaps. Wouldnt put it past him.

[Josy]

Cleaned this thread.

Other members are not up for discussion, stick to the topic of the threads.

And the same people baiting and attempting to get a reaction from others is boring, predictable and ruins any decent debate, give it a rest.