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17-05-2017, 12:09 PM | #1 | |||
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...t-ever-rating/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-39885792 Link added as relevant to discussion. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-39856284 I've not seen anyone pick up on this so I thought I'd start a thread. It seems a pretty serious problem and although it's being said more money is going to spent, do you think that throwing money at education is the way to improve standards? I'm inclined to think an overhaul of the system is needed.
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17-05-2017, 12:22 PM | #2 | |||
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More people from Scotland get into uni than any other part of the UK so they must be doing something right
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17-05-2017, 12:24 PM | #3 | |||
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17-05-2017, 12:31 PM | #4 | |||
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You have to have the grades to go however remember, therefore how can the Schools be failing? Is this a ploy to expand free schools?.... most likely.
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17-05-2017, 12:31 PM | #5 | |||
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The Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) is a worldwide study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) in member and non-member nations of 15-year-old school pupils' scholastic performance on mathematics, science, and reading. OECD is a European organisation. So I ask you, what possible motivation would they have to expand free schools?
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17-05-2017, 12:40 PM | #6 | |||
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Not sure if more people in Scotland do go to university but it's certainly true that Scotland is the worst country in the UK for admitting kids from poorer backgrounds to uni
http://www.independent.co.uk/student...521.html%3Famp |
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17-05-2017, 12:41 PM | #7 | |||
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However bad Scotland are doing, it's better than we are doing here, where then is the outrage for our failed English children?...
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17-05-2017, 12:45 PM | #8 | |||
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A 15 year old scot would not revise for this irrelevant test, its an important year for them to be focussing on other things like their gcses. Uk and usa never do well either. China, Japan, Shanghai etc always score the highest because they take these tests more seriously than the rest of the world, and they have less conflicting examinations at that age A uk teacher should, and does, encourage pupils not to take it seriously.
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17-05-2017, 12:46 PM | #9 | |||
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17-05-2017, 12:49 PM | #10 | |||
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17-05-2017, 12:51 PM | #11 | |||
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Who are 'they' the EU?
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17-05-2017, 12:52 PM | #12 | |||
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No seriously guys, education shouldnt be measured by a pisa score, it means feck all
Children from uk are honestly encouraged to not revise or take it seriously.
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17-05-2017, 12:53 PM | #13 | |||
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The SNP seem concerned enough about it to state they are throwing more money into education. On what do you base your claim that they shouldn't be taken seriously?
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17-05-2017, 12:54 PM | #14 | |||
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17-05-2017, 12:56 PM | #15 | |||
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Edit: I suppose the data might be interesting for other ages they test 15 year olds however should, and do, focus on their gcses
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17-05-2017, 12:59 PM | #16 | |||
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17-05-2017, 12:59 PM | #17 | |||
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Here is a link to the table of scores, just for a bit of perspective.
https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...onal-oecd-pisa
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17-05-2017, 01:01 PM | #18 | |||
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First hand experience. I was forced to take a pisa test lol. There was uproar from students, teachers, and parents, and we were told to not revise.
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17-05-2017, 01:02 PM | #19 | |||
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So that's at your school then. How can you assume it is the same everywhere or that children in other countries taking it do revise? If no one revises its still a balanced test of ability.
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17-05-2017, 01:04 PM | #20 | |||
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Because common sense. A 15 year old has GCSEs to finish coursework in 10+ subjects at the age of 15, comparatively the age of 15 is a quiet year for education in some countries.
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17-05-2017, 01:09 PM | #21 | |||
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ETA That was just Maths excuse me. Number 5 in reading, behind ye in Science though
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17-05-2017, 01:17 PM | #22 | |||
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UK education system isnt great, I feel like it came across that this was my point
Its not My point is that PISA tests are a ridic way to test education especially at the age of 15
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17-05-2017, 01:24 PM | #23 | |||
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That's great but that's just your opinion unless you can back it up.
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17-05-2017, 01:26 PM | #24 | |||
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You're honestly asking me to back up the fact that kids, teachers, and parents care more for GCSEs than a PISA test? You're just being stubborn.
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17-05-2017, 01:28 PM | #25 | |||
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I never even heard of that test before, I must ask my daughter if any of her class had to do one We have one called The Drumcondra test alright that all primary school students do once a year in English, Irish and maths but that's just a national thing
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