[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Pisa tests are flawed. They test 15 year olds (and a few other age groups) in irrelevant tests, in a few selected schools across the world
A 15 year old scot would not revise for this irrelevant test, its an important year for them to be focussing on other things like their gcses. Uk and usa never do well either. China, Japan, Shanghai etc always score the highest because they take these tests more seriously than the rest of the world, and they have less conflicting examinations at that age
A uk teacher should, and does, encourage pupils not to take it seriously.

The point is rather that Scottish standards seem to have dropped significantly from the same tests of previous years.

The SNP seem concerned enough about it to state they are throwing more money into education.

On what do you base your claim that they shouldn't be taken seriously?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The point is rather that Scottish standards seem to have dropped significantly from the same tests of previous years.

The SNP seem concerned enough about it to state they are throwing more money into education.

On what do you base your claim that they shouldn't be taken seriously?

15 year olds do not, and should not revise for pisa tests. They will continue to drop forever, I'm surprised the uk are still partaking in them.
Edit: I suppose the data might be interesting for other ages they test
15 year olds however should, and do, focus on their gcses

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

15 year olds do not, and should not revise for pisa tests. They will continue to drop forever, I'm surprised the uk are still partaking in them.
Edit: I suppose the data might be interesting for other ages they test
15 year olds however should, and do, focus on their gcses

I say again, on what do you base your claims? You aren't showing me anything to say what you are saying is any kind of fact, for all I know it is just the world according to Withano.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I say again, on what do you base your claims? You aren't showing me anything to say what you are saying is any kind of fact, for all I know it is just the world according to Withano.

First hand experience. I was forced to take a pisa test lol. There was uproar from students, teachers, and parents, and we were told to not revise.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

First hand experience. I was forced to take a pisa test lol. There was uproar from students, teachers, and parents, and we were told to not revise.

So that's at your school then. How can you assume it is the same everywhere or that children in other countries taking it do revise? If no one revises its still a balanced test of ability.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

So that's at your school then. How can you assume it is the same everywhere or that children in other countries taking it do revise? If no one revises its still a balanced test of ability.

Because common sense. A 15 year old has GCSEs to finish coursework in 10+ subjects at the age of 15, comparatively the age of 15 is a quiet year for education in some countries.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

First hand experience. I was forced to take a pisa test lol. There was uproar from students, teachers, and parents, and we were told to not revise.

I never even heard of that test before, I must ask my daughter if any of her class had to do one We have one called The Drumcondra test alright that all primary school students do once a year in English, Irish and maths but that's just a national thing

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I never even heard of that test before, I must ask my daughter if any of her class had to do one We have one called The Drumcondra test alright that all primary school students do once a year in English, Irish and maths but that's just a national thing

They're not annual, and they're not in every school - every three years. Think your daughter wasnt one of the unlucky ones!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

They're not annual, and they're not in every school - every three years. Think your daughter wasnt one of the unlucky ones!

Thank god because she has enough to be studying for and she already put loads of pressure on herself