[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I always have to laugh when 'he's playing a game' is levelled as a criticism. Do people realise what this show is?

You see... Yes it's a game, but there are different ways to play a game.

In BB, if you are actively playing it, two of the ways are that you can play the public, or include the public in your game.

The first involves making idiots of the viewing public. Aaron is a great example of this style. It can easily win, because most of the public don't even realise that they are being taken for a ride. It's sneaky and Machiavellian. I dislike snide HMs that take this route. I find it dishonest and cynical.

Including the public, the more honest way of playing the game, I am well behind. I find it hugely entertaining. Victor is a great example of this style. This style doesn't tend to win though, because if you are honest about playing the game the public tend to dislike you (they prefer to be played).

Sadly, Raph is falling more into the former right now. I hope he changes his approach soon, invests, and takes some risks. You can tell a LOT about a person in how they choose to play their games.

[Slevin]

Originally Posted by sampvt

WTF...the mere fact that everyone knows he is a gamer makes a mockery of the way he is supposed to be fooling the public. He isnt fooling anyone but himself. He is the sole gay in there this year and his popularity with forums has gathered him enough early gay and forum votes to race ahead. Trouble is a couple of thousand votes these days guarantees a win, so hardly ground breaking stuff and an even more obvious following, BUT TRUST ME, HE WONT WIN, NOT A CAT IN HELLS CHANCE. He has yet to blow a gasket and get into a real argument. Then we will see the slimy little shirts true colours.

some people will be fooled no doubt. i wouldnt say i would be impressed or thinking anything is groundbreaking. i just think it would be funny see all the pissed off people coming out the woodwork since some are going to think hes full on genuine as for a reason for voting for him to win since so many got a problem with HM playing a game on a game show.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by vesavius

You see... Yes it's a game, but there are different ways to play a game.

In BB, if you are actively playing it, two of the ways are that you can play the public, or include the public in your game.

The first involves making idiots of the viewing public. Aaron is a great example of this style. It can easily win, because most of the public don't even realise that they are being taken for a ride. It's sneaky and Machiavellian. I dislike snide HMs that take this route. I find it dishonest and cynical.

Including the public, the more honest way of playing the game, I am well behind. I find it hugely entertaining. Victor is a great example of this style. This style doesn't tend to win though, because if you are honest about playing the game the public tend to dislike you (they prefer to be played).

Sadly, Raph is falling more into the former right now. I hope he changes his approach soon, invests, and takes some risks. You can tell a LOT about a person in how they choose to play their games.

Wow what a great post To openly play a game is ok ,but to sneakily play a game isn't ,and Raphs doing the latter, he thinks he's fooling us all,but clearly he's not, he's only fooling people who liked to be fooled,and himself

[Nicky91]

of course it's a game, and to me personally Raphie and Charlotte are playing it the right proper way


i think Chanelle for example, has her good moments, but pissing in the pool is so immature and it does put me off her a bit, sometimes i think Chanelle is mentally 14 or 15 years old


i really don't get the hate for Raph either, he isn't boring at all, and he deserves to win so badly


Charlotte doesn't need to win for me, she just needs to enjoy the whole BB experience, and trying to get along with other hm's is a good idea, cause they are the ones who can put you up for eviction, and i don't want her to make a fool of herself, cause she also has a job outside BB, and if she goes all wild her bosses may think we don't want a immature brat working for us, so yeah i love to see her keep her classy standard and not go cheap


i'm sorry if that disappoints certain people, but i don't want to see someone uncomfortable, and Charlotte oozing calmth in the house is also very nice between the immature and unclassy hm's

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

of course it's a game, and to me personally Raphie and Charlotte are playing it the right proper way


i think Chanelle for example, has her good moments, but pissing in the pool is so immature and it does put me off her a bit, sometimes i think Chanelle is mentally 14 or 15 years old


i really don't get the hate for Raph either, he isn't boring at all, and he deserves to win so badly


Charlotte doesn't need to win for me, she just needs to enjoy the whole BB experience, and trying to get along with other hm's is a good idea, cause they are the ones who can put you up for eviction, and i don't want her to make a fool of herself, cause she also has a job outside BB, and if she goes all wild her bosses may think we don't want a immature brat working for us, so yeah i love to see her keep her classy standard and not go cheap


i'm sorry if that disappoints certain people, but i don't want to see someone uncomfortable, and Charlotte oozing calmth in the house is also very nice between the immature and unclassy hm's

Why does he, above everyone else deserve to win ? what has he done to deserve to win ?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Why does he, above everyone else deserve to win ? what has he done to deserve to win ?

He has done nothing. It's just blind support.

The more people try and push Raph on me in this uncritical and overly enthusiastic way, the more I go off him.

It also tells me that the posters are not displaying honest objectivity.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

a real one isn't Kieran or Ellie


and i will stay loyal to my sweeties King Raphie and his Queen Charlotte

Ellie and Charlotte ARE REAL....Ellie wears her heart on her sleeve. There isn't a bad or game playing bone in her body..

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

of course it's a game, and to me personally Raphie and Charlotte are playing it the right proper way


i think Chanelle for example, has her good moments, but pissing in the pool is so immature and it does put me off her a bit, sometimes i think Chanelle is mentally 14 or 15 years old


i really don't get the hate for Raph either, he isn't boring at all, and he deserves to win so badly


Charlotte doesn't need to win for me, she just needs to enjoy the whole BB experience, and trying to get along with other hm's is a good idea, cause they are the ones who can put you up for eviction, and i don't want her to make a fool of herself, cause she also has a job outside BB, and if she goes all wild her bosses may think we don't want a immature brat working for us, so yeah i love to see her keep her classy standard and not go cheap


i'm sorry if that disappoints certain people, but i don't want to see someone uncomfortable, and Charlotte oozing calmth in the house is also very nice between the immature and unclassy hm's

None of them deserve to win atm..

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by vesavius

He has done nothing. It's just blind support.

The more people try and push Raph on me in this uncritical and overly enthusiastic way, the more I go off him.

It also tells me that the posters are not displaying honest objectivity.

I find its very sheep like and fear of him reading posts when he gets back ,I personal do not give a flying one, Im honest

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

Originally Posted by Raph View Post
"And now the dumb bitch sent some lawyer forms to James too for 'slandering her name' hahaha.

Natalie Negrotti is up there alongside Aryan, Ginamarie and Kaitlyn as a bottom tier of all time female housemate. Paulie was right she's as fake as the things on her chest!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Ashley. View Post
Nobody's going to take you seriously if you're just going to make derogatory remarks like this.
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Originally Posted by Raph View Post
I hear ya... but I call both boys and girls bitches. In this case what she did was really cruel and horrible so I felt like 'bitch' was appropriate.. but it's true it is a derogatory term used predominantly for woman, so the concern is totally ok on your part. That said, this girl really is a piece of work. One of BBUSA's very very worst. "

How can he be offended by someone using the bitch word when he calls women bitches himself. That's what I am trying to figure out.

And here's why I dislike him.

[jyunga]

oh ****, old forum posts come back to haunt!

[ethanjames]

I think raph actually has a lot of personality though quieter than everyone else he shines when he is being filmed and brings a good energy to the house in all honesty. just because he isn't screaming 24/7 it doesn't mean he doesn't have a personality.

[Amy Jade]

While I do agree he was a bit of a hypocrite about the comments about hating the word bitch uttered by a man to a woman when Raph himself has said it I kinda feel it's unfair to drag up his past forum posts, we all post some things on here that we probably wish we hadn't.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

While I do agree he was a bit of a hypocrite about the comments about hating the word bitch uttered by a man to a woman when Raph himself has said it I kinda feel it's unfair to drag up his past forum posts, we all post some things on here that we probably wish we hadn't.

He's a nice guy and it shows. And I absolutely adore his friendship with Chanelle. I get the feeling they have a lot if fun together in there.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

While I do agree he was a bit of a hypocrite about the comments about hating the word bitch uttered by a man to a woman when Raph himself has said it I kinda feel it's unfair to drag up his past forum posts, we all post some things on here that we probably wish we hadn't.

It is unfair especially when it's someone who isn't even watching it and has some kind of issue with Raph as a member but it's still unfair as a housemate levels too. I know he doesn't like this Natalie woman because she lied about sexual harassment which annoyed him because it's disgusting.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

Originally Posted by Raph View Post
"And now the dumb bitch sent some lawyer forms to James too for 'slandering her name' hahaha.

Natalie Negrotti is up there alongside Aryan, Ginamarie and Kaitlyn as a bottom tier of all time female housemate. Paulie was right she's as fake as the things on her chest!!!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashley. View Post
Nobody's going to take you seriously if you're just going to make derogatory remarks like this.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raph View Post
I hear ya... but I call both boys and girls bitches. In this case what she did was really cruel and horrible so I felt like 'bitch' was appropriate.. but it's true it is a derogatory term used predominantly for woman, so the concern is totally ok on your part. That said, this girl really is a piece of work. One of BBUSA's very very worst. "

How can he be offended by someone using the bitch word when he calls women bitches himself. That's what I am trying to figure out.

What a bloody hypocrite !! and people say he's not being fake ?

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

What a bloody hypocrite !! and people say he's not being fake ?

he is as fake as his best buddies lips.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

None of them deserve to win atm..

yeah okay i get your point

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

he is as fake as his best buddies lips.

And boobs and backside

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I find its very sheep like and fear of him reading posts when he gets back ,I personal do not give a flying one, Im honest

I don't think that's the case Chuff. It's natural for people who know him on here to have some loyalty towards him, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I seriously doubt any of us are worried about him reading our posts

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think that's the case Chuff. It's natural for people who know him on here to have some loyalty towards him, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I seriously doubt any of us are worried about him reading our posts

I think he's doing great in there and when they do show him he is a good Housemate. Lovely personality as well. He's very polite and respectful, which is important for me.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LukeB

It is unfair especially when it's someone who isn't even watching it and has some kind of issue with Raph as a member but it's still unfair as a housemate levels too. I know he doesn't like this Natalie woman because she lied about sexual harassment which annoyed him because it's disgusting.

With you all the way Luke.

I have conversed with Raph on here for years, I also though would have supported him had I not.

Why, because simply he is the best there in my view, no over the top dramatics, into all that's going on.
Does all BB requests.
His diary room sessions are really good.

He comes across as friendly, interesting and a good team player.
All things I like in any housemate.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With you all the way Luke.

I have conversed with Raph on here for years, I also though would have supported him had I not.

Why, because simply he is the best there in my view, no over the top dramatics, into all that's going on.
Does all BB requests.
His diary room sessions are really good.

He comes across as friendly, interesting and a good team player.
All things I like in any housemate.

I would have have supported him even if he wasn't a member. He has impeccable manners and he's always smiling and happy. What's not to like?

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With you all the way Luke.

I have conversed with Raph on here for years, I also though would have supported him had I not.

Why, because simply he is the best there in my view, no over the top dramatics, into all that's going on.
Does all BB requests.
His diary room sessions are really good.

He comes across as friendly, interesting and a good team player.
All things I like in any housemate.

have to agree, never talked to Raph on the forum, but he strikes me as one of only a few that are not completely horrendous in the house. He may not be the best hm of all time, but he isn't the worst either, and he stands out as being normal this year in a house full of misfits, and that may be enough alone for him to win it.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I find its very sheep like and fear of him reading posts when he gets back ,I personal do not give a flying one, Im honest

Why would anyone "fear" him reading their negative posts about him?

And the whole "if you have a different opinion to me you're just being a sheep" train of thought is weak. At least counter an argument with something more substantial.