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Originally Posted by Jian Yang

Yes he did, he had as much personality as Isabelle anyway. I mean i like Isabelle now, but i didn't during that task, and her line 'are tired cos you've been running around my head all day Kieran' was woeful, or do you think that swung it for Lotan? Of course it didn't, Lotan was against Sam the second he opened his mouth. And him saying he fancied Ellie made Lotan's mind up for him, no way was Lotan having a bloke coming in and taking his puppy doll away from him. He uses Ellie, he doesn't fancy her, but a ego like Lotan's won't let just a smidge of attention being taking away from him.

She did, and maybe still does want Kieran, but i admire her for sticking to her guns and basically saying 'oh well, f you then'. If she was that desperate surly she would have tried to join the clique and suck up to them? Even more so now the bitter Bex's has gone.

Also Lotan's tactic change with Isabelle was classic stuff. See how he adjusted his stance with her in the bedroom? Very, very manipulative behaviour. He completely flip flopped when he realised she wasn't going to back down so he went for the 'nice guy' approach with her. 'im going to tell them not to have a go at you', 'that will never happen again, people won't surround you again in here on my watch' etc etc etc.....This was a CLASSIC control move on his part. He was trying to make himself look like a all in power hero to Isabelle, a protector if you will. Lotan is a very dangerous man.

I'd disagree, I'd say that Isabelle just came across as a bit 'common' but with Sam there was just nothing there or hardly even any effort. Nobody knows his reasons for wanting the girls except for himself, as much as people would like to claim he did certain things for certain reasons so there's little point trying to debate that. He spends the most time with Tom (from what we've seen) than any of the girls anyway.

Nah she seems to be bitter about it hence why she's turned to the others. If he'd been all over her then there's no doubts she wouldn't have said a word to Lotan.

Lotan is a top gameplayer, if only Isabelle was intelligent enough to understand how to play it back; instead she just continued to make herself look like more of a bitch.

Originally Posted by Garfie

I don't believe she is stupid. However, Lotan is suggesting that she is in an attempt to manipulate others' views of her because she has dared to call him out for what he is. Sadly, his clique is unable to see that, and just blindly accept what he suggests.

Can't blame Lotan for his followers following their leader