[sampvt]

BB have the cameras with slo mo and they said she didnt hit her so thats where it ends, Ellie has been cleared and all the threads and posts slagging ellie off for being aggressive are nothing more than ill informed rubbish. Hannah has been outed as a drama queen and a liar and her sister isnt much better. Ellie did nothing more than act as a mediator, period.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by sampvt

BB have the cameras with slo mo and they said she didnt hit her so thats where it ends, Ellie has been cleared and all the threads and posts slagging ellie off for being aggressive are nothing more than ill informed rubbish. Hannah has been outed as a drama queen and a liar and her sister isnt much better. Ellie did nothing more than act as a mediator, period.

Yes because BB always tells the truth

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by sampvt

BB have the cameras with slo mo and they said she didnt hit her so thats where it ends, Ellie has been cleared and all the threads and posts slagging ellie off for being aggressive are nothing more than ill informed rubbish. Hannah has been outed as a drama queen and a liar and her sister isnt much better. Ellie did nothing more than act as a mediator, period.

Whether Ellie hit Hannah or not, without doubt Ellie was behaving in an aggressive manner- shouting, screaming, trying to square up to others and repeatedly shouting 'Hit me!' That much is undeniable and imo Ellie should have had a warning as she inflamed the situation massively.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Whether Ellie hit Hannah or not, without doubt Ellie was behaving in an aggressive manner- shouting, screaming, trying to square up to others and repeatedly shouting 'Hit me!' That much is undeniable and imo Ellie should have had a warning as she inflamed the situation massively.

Chanelle was a bad,nothing to say about her ?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Chanelle was a bad,nothing to say about her ?

Chanelle was one of the best behaved what did she do?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Withano

Chanelle was one of the best behaved what did she do?

I like Chan, I think she is amazing BB, but she did smash a glass on the floor in anger. She probably deserved to be removed for that if Lotan was. I don't even like Lotan, but equal rules should be applied and she was as bad as him and has been all season in terms of bead behaviour.

I personally think neither should have been removed, but i think BB knew that Lotan was walking anyway and used him as a sacrificial goat.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I like Chan, I think she is amazing BB, but she did smash a glass on the floor in anger. She probably deserved to be removed for that if Lotan was. I don't even like Lotan, but equal rules should be applied and she was as bad as him and has been all season in terms of bead behaviour.

I personally think neither should have been removed, but i think BB knew that Lotan was walking anyway and used him as a sacrificial goat.

It was a plastic bottle she threw on the floor at her feet. BB said that yesterday when they discussed it with her.

And if you listen again to what BB said they were ejecting Lotan for, it was not just the throwing of the water or bottle, or whatever it was, it was for his 'isolating and intimidating behaviour, especially towards women' over 'several days' amongst other things.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Garfie

It was a plastic bottle she threw on the floor at her feet. BB said that yesterday when they discussed it with her.

And if you listen again to what BB said they were ejecting Lotan for, it was not just the throwing of the water or bottle, or whatever it was, it was for his 'isolating and intimidating behaviour, especially towards women' over 'several days' amongst other things.

Lotan had been simmering for days and then his last two days he was like a volcano just waiting to erupt they said they were going "casper" isolbelle - ghost her - saying things like she is not intelligent enough to speak to him - what an arrogant man - and then saying - look shes all alone no one likes her in the house - when they had taken up the smoking area - she was probably too intimated

[Withano]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I like Chan, I think she is amazing BB, but she did smash a glass on the floor in anger. She probably deserved to be removed for that if Lotan was. I don't even like Lotan, but equal rules should be applied and she was as bad as him and has been all season in terms of bead behaviour.

I personally think neither should have been removed, but i think BB knew that Lotan was walking anyway and used him as a sacrificial goat.

Bb said it was a plastic cup didnt they? Thats incredibly light compared to the majority of hms - if it was glass and I heard wrong then Id half-agree if she threw it across the room, and not towards her feet (but she deffo wasnt drinking from a bottled beer like Lotan so i dont think im wrong tbh)

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Withano

Bb said it was a plastic cup didnt they? Thats incredibly light compared to the majority of hms - if it was glass and I heard wrong then Id half-agree if she threw it across the room, and not towards her feet (but she deffo wasnt drinking from a bottled beer like Lotan so i dont think im wrong tbh)

yeah, but the cups they use are rigid plastic, not disposable throwaway ones. Throwing them around and shattering them is a problem, which I guess was what BB was saying.

Lotan didn't throw anything solid directly at anyone either, just a bit of liquid.

I am not saying that she should have been removed, really. I am saying that neither of them should have been. They were actually as bad as each other in many ways. I do find Chan much more likable and good to watch though. i am just trying to be objective about it.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Bb said it was a plastic cup didnt they? Thats incredibly light compared to the majority of hms - if it was glass and I heard wrong then Id half-agree if she threw it across the room, and not towards her feet (but she deffo wasnt drinking from a bottled beer like Lotan so i dont think im wrong tbh)

Bottle or cup, they definitely said it was plastic, and she definitely threw it down at her feet.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Withano

Bb said it was a plastic cup didnt they? Thats incredibly light compared to the majority of hms - if it was glass and I heard wrong then Id half-agree if she threw it across the room, and not towards her feet (but she deffo wasnt drinking from a bottled beer like Lotan so i dont think im wrong tbh)

She broke whatever it was glass/plastic whatever,and if it was the latter plastic takes some force to break,she's aggressive,at least have the bottle(excuse the pun) to admit it.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Chanelle was a bad,nothing to say about her ?

I thought this thread was about Ellie?

However, as you have asked the question, I agree that Chanelle lost it too, on that and on a number of other occasions.

The thing is though, just because one person is aggressive it doesn't another person innocent. Ellie was undeniably aggressive on this occasion, and that fact remains the same no matter what others did.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Whether Ellie hit Hannah or not

Oh, nice attempt to brush away that Ellie did not hit anyone, as the footage that BB examined has supported.

Originally Posted by Garfie

without doubt Ellie was behaving in an aggressive manner- shouting, screaming, trying to square up to others and repeatedly shouting 'Hit me!'

Ellie was in a defensive position for 99% of that situation, being pushed back. She did not square up to anyone once. The only reason she shouted "hit me" was because she was being charged and she thought it was going to happen anyhow.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Oh, nice attempt to brush away that Ellie did not hit anyone, as the footage that BB examined has supported.





Ellie was in a defensive position for 99% of that situation, being pushed back. She did not square up to anyone once. The only reason she shouted "hit me" was because she was being charged and she thought it was going to happen anyhow.

Watch it again. She was shouting 'Hit me' in people's faces at the bottom of the stairs before any 'charging' occurred. That's not a defensive position no matter what you suggest. Hannah had her back to Ellie at the bottom of the stairs, yet Charlotte was trying to stand in between them and push Ellie back - why would Charlotte do that if she wasn't worried about what Ellie was doing?

And just so that you know, I am not defending Chanelle, Hannah, Deborah, Lotan, etc- they all played a part and all showed aggression, but Ellie did too.

It's good to support your favourites, but not to blindly defend them no matter what they do.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Watch it again. She was shouting 'Hit me' in people's faces at the bottom of the stairs before any 'charging' occurred. That's not a defensive position no matter what you suggest. Hannah had her back to Ellie at the bottom of the stairs, yet Charlotte was trying to stand in between them and push Ellie back - why would Charlotte do that if she wasn't worried about what Ellie was doing?

And just so that you know, I am not defending Chanelle, Hannah, Deborah, Lotan, etc- they all played a part and all showed aggression, but Ellie did too.

It's good to support your favourites, but not to blindly defend them no matter what they do.

This. Ellie is not going to win so stop reaching - Chanelle will win.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Watch it again. She was shouting 'Hit me' in people's faces at the bottom of the stairs

"peoples"

You mean those that were already aggressively squaring up to her and pushing her back with their threatened violence?

To blame the defensive person saying "hit me" over the aggressive person clearly wanting to do the hitting is incredibly skewed. Dishonest, even.

Originally Posted by Garfie

It's good to support your favourites, but not to blindly defend them no matter what they do.

I am actually quite objective, especially compared to most here. I would admit it if I honestly agreed, but me disagreeing with you doesn't mean I am 'blindly defending'. I saw the same show, I came to my own conclusions. I am not 'blind' because I interpreted what happened differently to you. You honestly don't have the automatic ultimate truth. I would condemn Ellie if I honestly thought she was in the wrong here. I have done so to supported HMs before in the past and have simply stopped supporting them.

I simply disagree with your interpretation.