[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Whether Ellie hit Hannah or not

Oh, nice attempt to brush away that Ellie did not hit anyone, as the footage that BB examined has supported.

Originally Posted by Garfie

without doubt Ellie was behaving in an aggressive manner- shouting, screaming, trying to square up to others and repeatedly shouting 'Hit me!'

Ellie was in a defensive position for 99% of that situation, being pushed back. She did not square up to anyone once. The only reason she shouted "hit me" was because she was being charged and she thought it was going to happen anyhow.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Oh, nice attempt to brush away that Ellie did not hit anyone, as the footage that BB examined has supported.





Ellie was in a defensive position for 99% of that situation, being pushed back. She did not square up to anyone once. The only reason she shouted "hit me" was because she was being charged and she thought it was going to happen anyhow.

Watch it again. She was shouting 'Hit me' in people's faces at the bottom of the stairs before any 'charging' occurred. That's not a defensive position no matter what you suggest. Hannah had her back to Ellie at the bottom of the stairs, yet Charlotte was trying to stand in between them and push Ellie back - why would Charlotte do that if she wasn't worried about what Ellie was doing?

And just so that you know, I am not defending Chanelle, Hannah, Deborah, Lotan, etc- they all played a part and all showed aggression, but Ellie did too.

It's good to support your favourites, but not to blindly defend them no matter what they do.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Watch it again. She was shouting 'Hit me' in people's faces at the bottom of the stairs before any 'charging' occurred. That's not a defensive position no matter what you suggest. Hannah had her back to Ellie at the bottom of the stairs, yet Charlotte was trying to stand in between them and push Ellie back - why would Charlotte do that if she wasn't worried about what Ellie was doing?

And just so that you know, I am not defending Chanelle, Hannah, Deborah, Lotan, etc- they all played a part and all showed aggression, but Ellie did too.

It's good to support your favourites, but not to blindly defend them no matter what they do.

This. Ellie is not going to win so stop reaching - Chanelle will win.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Watch it again. She was shouting 'Hit me' in people's faces at the bottom of the stairs

"peoples"

You mean those that were already aggressively squaring up to her and pushing her back with their threatened violence?

To blame the defensive person saying "hit me" over the aggressive person clearly wanting to do the hitting is incredibly skewed. Dishonest, even.

Originally Posted by Garfie

It's good to support your favourites, but not to blindly defend them no matter what they do.

I am actually quite objective, especially compared to most here. I would admit it if I honestly agreed, but me disagreeing with you doesn't mean I am 'blindly defending'. I saw the same show, I came to my own conclusions. I am not 'blind' because I interpreted what happened differently to you. You honestly don't have the automatic ultimate truth. I would condemn Ellie if I honestly thought she was in the wrong here. I have done so to supported HMs before in the past and have simply stopped supporting them.

I simply disagree with your interpretation.