[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes the shelter site is very misleading

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/abuse/Pag...ence-help.aspx




What on earth is with the attitude? 'you could have easily found it in seconds'. Its you that brought the clip up..not me

I can't actually watch them at the min either as I have no headphones and husbands watching TV but will watch them later on or in the morning

I don't quite understand what you are meaning by this?
Who is asking men to care about womens rights?

Your entire thread seems to be about women apparently not caring about mens rights?

No its about a lot more than that youre simply being disingenuous by misquoting and wrongly paraphrasing me, its pretty dishonest of you but predictable

society at large is discriminating against and neglecting men and giving them a sub standard service. Society is massively under-appreciating men, massively underestimating the issues facing men, and massively underfunding men...this systematic discrimination against men starts in the school yard in the parliaments and in social media

In america and the UK they now have different laws, which basiclaly give women rights and take aways the mens rights..It is blatant discrimination

Even worse than women only shortlists for running for parliament
Yeah I know it is, and youll hear a heck of a lot more of it as the white old man is the most discriminated against in this country

Heres one for you did you know in parts of america all new mothers get a year to decide whetehr or not to take legal ownership of the baby they have just given birth to
Its called the safe haven law

NO man in western society has this legal choice at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKLFIsv7ATE

I have now provided several video clips which you claim you couldnt find, or rather didnt bother looking for

I find you and marsh's cold callous attitude to this massive problem worldwide to be absolutely chilling and lacking in all compassion and humanity

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

Heres the osbourne clip you could have easily found it in seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80JqoyaL-p4

'I think its quite fabulous'

WTF. Obsbourne comes across horrifically there making no end of jokes about it.

The rest of them aren't really much better. Nor the audience giggling away.

Originally Posted by the truth

heres jess phillips mocking mens rights at the westminster committee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XX6ATwQv7Q

'violence against men. Goes very much unreported because of embarrassment about it'

'men don't talk about protstate cancer, testicular cancer for fear of embarrassment'

Those guys just made the point I was making earlier in the thread actually :S


It doesn't seem to me that she is actually laughing at the points he raised in regards to mens issues? Granted its a sensitive topic so she shouldn't be laughing at all really but she doesn't seem at all to be laughing at suicide rates or anything like that like you originally claimed.

I am not too sure where I stand on the issue they were debating tbh. As international mens day...kind of comes under the same heading as 'all lives matter' and 'heterosexual pride day'

Having said that I am not a good person to be debating this with as I tend to think most 'international X days' and stuff are fairly unneeded and pointless.

Originally Posted by the truth

Heres one for you did you know in parts of america all new mothers get a year to decide whetehr or not to take legal ownership of the baby they have just given birth to
Its called the safe haven law

NO man in western society has this legal choice at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKLFIsv7ATE

I am still not really understanding this safe haven law. It sounds to me like...a woman has up to a year to decide if she will give the child up for adoption? But a 'fast track adoption' by the sounds of it...none of the paperwork and such

I do think though, that is a woman can effectively 'opt out' of parenting, then a man should be able to do the same. I know many do in the sense that they don't bother to actually visits their child but they are still held financially responsible (though many find ways to dodge that too).

After watching the video, I am still none the wiser about quite how this law is actually taking rights away from men. Rather than giving women a right that men currently do not have.

Originally Posted by the truth

the law says a all mothers gets a year to decide whether or not she will decide to keep her baby or to give it up for adoption. This means in the first year the mother is not legally or morally responsible for that new born baby and can simply hand it over to the state to look after then pick it back up a year later...No man on planet earth has this right

From what I am reading (reading more into it as the video didn't go into detail) this is not what its about. Its basically decriminalizing abandoning a child...there is not mention of leaving the child for a year then picking it up or anything like that. Once you 'safely abandon' your child, thats it. It goes into the care system. Also there is no mention of this being sex specific

I think I agree with the law actually. It makes babies less likely to suffer neglect and total abandonment by giving those who feel they have no other way out some way to actually do it safely and without being punished. I do feel that some effort should be made to determine if the father would like the child though, it sounds like that does not happen due to the anonymity granted under the law.

Originally Posted by the truth

Youve totally misunderstood it, probably deliberately. youve been on here hours debating but havent got 4 minutes to watch a clip? convenient especially as the clip doesnt back up your pro feminist agenda

This is just ****ing insulting to be quite honest.

I explained why I couldn't watch videos last night. And your post was not clear at all about this safe haven thing. Why on earth I would pretend not to understand something, whilst still saying I would watch the full clip once I could I don't bloody know.

I don't have a 'pro-feminist' agenda.