[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I HATE cats with a passion I'm terrified of them

Me too, and that's the irony.

[Kazanne]

Tbh,Isabelle does leave herself open for negative commentsre her look,,even BOTS have been doing it,so it's not just here.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

i've used cat lady before but i didn't think it's an insult because why would it be offensive?

Oh bugger off. Why would you say it if it wasn't meant as an insult?

Because let's face it, if it was meant literally it makes zero sense. "Everyone who owns a cat is ______" makes no sense.

Whereas insulting a woman of a certain age (possibly single) as "cat lady". The "Cat ladies always vote for the hot younger man" etc.

How can it possibly not be offensive?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

The Lateysha hate was absoloutely disgusting. People slating her as a parent, not even as a role model as Lotan has been I am talking full on 'fat bitch needs to go look after her kids' level and 'bet her daughter is so proud of the fat cow'.

I love Chanelle but she doesn't get it half as bad as Lateysha last year. I hated the forum at points it was that horrible to see people attacking her as a parent.

The worst parent insults were towards Luisa, Perez, and Helen Wood I thought.

No matter what anyone thinks of those people, we don't know what they're like as parents and it's incredibly personal to go that far imo, especially some of the comments that I remember being posted about Luisa and Perez.

[chuff me dizzy]

You cannot walk about looking as Isabelle looks and talking filth talk as she and Chanelle do and not expect to be criticised for it ,they leave themselves open to it

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh bugger off. Why would you say it if it wasn't meant as an insult?

Because let's face it, if it was meant literally it makes zero sense. "Everyone who owns a cat is ______" makes no sense.

Whereas insulting a woman of a certain age (possibly single) as "cat lady". The "Cat ladies always vote for the hot younger man" etc.

How can it possibly not be offensive?

Because maybe some people have different reasons why they use it like Hayden said with the OTT hate comments on facebook. i don't use it for an insult because it doesn't seem offensive to me and there's nothing wrong with cat ladies at all. they could be called a lot worst. but appearance attacks and slut shaming are a lot worse on here.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You cannot walk about looking as Isabelle looks and talking filth talk as she and Chanelle do and not expect to be criticised for it ,they leave themselves open to it

This is right if we are honest,I have often been out and about and seen someone and thought "Look at the state" we have all done it .

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This is right if we are honest,I have often been out and about and seen someone and thought "Look at the state" we have all done it,

Yes ,everyone I'm sure does the same thing, she looks weird with all that slapped on her mush !! and if you sat next to someone who spoke filth as Issa and Chann do you would think they were gutter trash

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Because maybe some people have different reasons why they use it like Hayden said with the OTT hate comments on facebook. i don't use it for an insult because it doesn't seem offensive to me and there's nothing wrong with cat ladies at all. they could be called a lot worst. but appearance attacks and slut shaming are a lot worse on here.

It was always about the context it was used in, clearly an insult by EVERYONE who used it, if you can't own it,don't do it

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Tbh,Isabelle does leave herself open for negative commentsre her look,,even BOTS have been doing it,so it's not just here.

Thats not really a defense. BOTS are terrible and as an example I sued before, BOTS were perfectly fine to call Aaron a womanbeater just because he said he didn't like a dress Faye put on

I do not think insulting the ridiculous tan or makeup is an issue at all. That is expected. Its when it goes over the top..eg. look at all that slap on her mush, she looks like a dirty street rat, but I guess she needs all that makeup to hide her disgusting face thats riddled with disease, what a slut. Or something.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This is right if we are honest,I have often been out and about and seen someone and thought "Look at the state" we have all done it .

Originally Posted by Kazanne

why cant you just call people ,'people' as that is what they are.

PICK A SIDE AND BE A WOMAN /Kim

[Vicky.]

I genuinely would like to know what all of these people who thought cat ladies wasn't meant to be offensive..what did you think it actually meant? I am fairly sure everyone didn't think it was just women on Facebook who have cats as a profile picture as one member said (I can believe one member thought that, but no way did all who use it think that)

The context its used in too...how on earth is it not an insult

[Jack_]

Nobody asks for or leaves themselves open to attacks on their appearances, regardless of what they look like. If a child were being bullied and you used this excuse, it would be victim blaming.

It doesn't matter whether you don't like Isabelle's tan or the fact she wears revealing clothes, that doesn't justify anyone calling her a 'slag' or a 'slapper' or mocking her for it. Yes she has been self deprecating on several occasions and that's to her credit, but she's entitled to do that because it is her appearance. I don't like Tom that much or find him attractive, but I don't stoop to attacking him for it - I stick to talking about his character (or lack of it), because it's Big Brother and not Next Top Model.

I just think people should put themselves in someone else's shoes. If a friend or a loved one of yours went into the house, would you really like seeing them being called a 'slut' or having the way they look insulted? When it's completely irrelevant to what they're like as housemates? I don't think many people would. At the end of the day while people put themselves up to be judged on a TV show, they do so on one that is about personalities and not aesthetics. They are still human, it's just a programme we watch for 48 minutes a night, there's no excuses for such vitriol. None whatsoever.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

It was always about the context it was used in, clearly an insult by EVERYONE who used it, if you can't own it,don't do it

depending on how they use it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I genuinely would like to know what all of these people who thought cat ladies wasn't meant to be offensive..what did you think it actually meant? I am fairly sure everyone didn't think it was just women on Facebook who have cats as a profile picture as one member said (I can believe one member thought that, but no way did all who use it think that)

The context its used in too...how on earth is it not an insult

Clearly it means a single older woman who only has cats for company, anyo e who uses it and pretends not to know that is a liar

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Hayden

PICK A SIDE AND BE A WOMAN /Kim

I was giving an example of what we are all like,when we see people like Isabelle for example,the ' cat ladies ' thing is totally different as that is an insult to a vast amount of people we don't even see .

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Nobody asks for or leaves themselves open to attacks on their appearances, regardless of what they look like. If a child were being bullied and you used this excuse, it would be victim blaming.

It doesn't matter whether you don't like Isabelle's tan or the fact she wears revealing clothes, that doesn't justify anyone calling her a 'slag' or a 'slapper' or mocking her for it. Yes she has been self deprecating on several occasions and that's to her credit, but she's entitled to do that because it is her appearance. I don't like Tom that much or find him attractive, but I don't stoop to attacking him for it - I stick to talking about his character (or lack of it), because it's Big Brother and not Next Top Model.

I just think people should put themselves in someone else's shoes. If a friend or a loved one of yours went into the house, would you really like seeing them being called a 'slut' or having the way they look insulted? When it's completely irrelevant to what they're like as housemates? I don't think many people would. At the end of the day while people put themselves up to be judged on a TV show, they do so on one that is about personalities and not aesthetics. They are still human, it's just a programme we watch for 48 minutes a night, there's no excuses for such vitriol. None whatsoever.

Exactly this they are there to be judged on their actions and not their looks.

This years wasn't as bad but soon as Isabelle entered the abuse towards her was way too much and the appearance attacks got worse on Chanelle too. i just don't get it why is their looks relevant on big brother when big brother is about people and what they do and not their looks?

[LukeB]

And another thing with slut shaming..Kieran revealed he has slept with 350 people and he has not been called a slut they way Isabelle has. which is really annoying.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

I don't agree. It was mild compared to what other hm's had received over the years.

Oh there's been worse over the years, in particular I thought that Lateysha and Jason weren't bad picks last year, I also thought that Hughie, Jackson, and Andy got it a bit rough in some circles.

But by this series standards Isabelle was definitely the nastiest for me and I'm obviously not supporting Isabelle if you look at who my favourite is.

[Vicky.]

On the appearance thing...just came across this thread from a while back that was probably one of the worst for appearance based insults.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=277229

But because its directed at a male its fine

A lot who are complaining about appearance insults this year actually posted in that thread..and joined in with the taunting about 'fat and virgin'

Looking back on it now I can't believe we didn't ban people for their attitudes in there actually. I often get shocked at just how horrible members can be when I look at old threads.

Edit. Raph in that thread

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by Raph

Fat? That's such a silly thing to say. We're all fat, we all have fat on our bodies and it's a beautiful thing that should be embraced. It's because of posts like this that the word 'fat' starts to develop a negative connotation gearing society further and further into the 'slim and only slim mentality'. Not to mention the fact that I saw people say because he's 'ugly', like seriously? Big Brother is a personality contest and a psychological experiment. If you wanted to watch some beauty contest do so instead. Not to mention the fact that 'ugly' is such a ridiculous term -- who is anyone to call someone else ugly for their looks? Just is more of a representation of that person's personality than Jack's.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You cannot walk about looking as Isabelle looks and talking filth talk as she and Chanelle do and not expect to be criticised for it ,they leave themselves open to it

I get why you might be offended at Chanelle's comments, but what has Isabelle said that's been so vulgar that she gets the same comments as Chanelle?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Raph

Fat? That's such a silly thing to say. We're all fat, we all have fat on our bodies and it's a beautiful thing that should be embraced. It's because of posts like this that the word 'fat' starts to develop a negative connotation gearing society further and further into the 'slim and only slim mentality'. Not to mention the fact that I saw people say because he's 'ugly', like seriously? Big Brother is a personality contest and a psychological experiment. If you wanted to watch some beauty contest do so instead. Not to mention the fact that 'ugly' is such a ridiculous term -- who is anyone to call someone else ugly for their looks? Just is more of a representation of that person's personality than Jack's.

Me when people call Chanelle fat

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I HATE cats with a passion

wow you're well and truly cancelled them miss

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

On the appearance thing...just came across this thread from a while back that was probably one of the worst for appearance based insults.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=277229

But because its directed at a male its fine

A lot who are complaining about appearance insults this year actually posted in that thread..and joined in with the taunting about 'fat and virgin'

Looking back on it now I can't believe we didn't ban people for their attitudes in there actually. I often get shocked at just how horrible members can be when I look at old threads.

Edit. Raph in that thread

Spoiler:

Well well well. I'm up to comment #5 so far and what an eye opener this is turning out to be.

[Jack_]

I just don't get the 'slut', 'slapper', 'slag' thing in general anyway. First and foremost they're misogynistic insults that are only ever directed at women (their very definitions denote they're about women too), when as Luke has just pointed out, Kieran, Tom and Joe have talked about sex and the number of women they've slept with, and have not had the same insults levelled at them?

Secondly, I just don't get why anyone cares about how many people others have slept with? Why does it matter and why does it define what kind of person they are? I just don't ~get it~, I've really never understood the relevance it has to anybody's character. If someone wants to sleep with 350 people, all power to you, it's your body and you can do what you want. Similarly if you wouldn't want to do that yourself that's fine, that's your personal preference. Why do we need to judge people for what goes on in people's private lives (I realise on a TV show it's shared but that's beside the point)?

What disheartens me the most is that it's usually women who level these insults at other women. Is the patriarchal order really that bad that you're using misogynistic insults towards members of your own sex? It just makes me despair.