[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You need to pay attention and stop being so pedantic. Do you want to discuss the realities of this political decision on how we exit and fruitfully exist outside Europe or do you want to continue pigeonholing the dictionary definition in an attempt to win an argument at any cost? If it’s the later then I refuse to entertain you further.

Nice deflect. What has the dictionary got to do with it? I was discussing the realities of what it means to exit, which you voted for. That's the reality it's not about how you exit. You exit and negotiate a new relationship based on the fact you are no longer a member. We exist fruitfully outside the EU in similar way to the rest of the world who aren't members of the EU. You don't have to respond to me to entertain me. The idea that because we are leaving the EU that children will have no future and business will die is just scaremongering.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Nice deflect. What has the dictionary got to do with it? I was discussing the realities of what it means to exit, which you voted for. That's the reality it's not about how you exit. You exit and negotiate a new relationship based on the fact you are no longer a member. We exist fruitfully outside the EU in similar way to the rest of the world who aren't members of the EU. You don't have to respond to me to entertain me. The idea that because we are leaving the EU that children will have no future and business will die is just scaremongering.

Just accept that your realities are very different to mine. If you think walking through that exit door is all going to come together like milk and honey, just keep telling yourself that.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Just accept that your realities are very different to mine. If you think walking through that exit door is all going to come together like milk and honey, just keep telling yourself that.

I've never said anything about milk and honey, or slamming doors come to that, I said you leave and close the door behind you, then you negotiate a new relationship. No big change is without some sacrifice but that doesn't mean it is going to be all gloom and doom either or that we should stay in a cocoon that is not right for us. I am completely confident that this is the right thing if I wasn't I would have taken the easy route and voted to stay in the rickety boat that is the EU.

I am mystified why you voted to leave when you seem so afraid of it now and why you find it so terrifying when the signs indicate nothing particularly terrible has happened inspite of the doom and gloom predictions. For instance reports today on BBC news say that UK unemployment is at a 42 year low. Consumer price inflation seems to be holding steady and bucking expectations. UK wage expectations grow by better than expected. The Outlook is currently positive.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I've never said anything about milk and honey, or slamming doors come to that, I said you leave and close the door behind you, then you negotiate a new relationship. No big change is without some sacrifice but that doesn't mean it is going to be all gloom and doom either or that we should stay in a cocoon that is not right for us. I am completely confident that this is the right thing if I wasn't I would have taken the easy route and voted to stay in the rickety boat that is the EU.

I am mystified why you voted to leave when you seem so afraid of it now and why you find it so terrifying when the signs indicate nothing particularly terrible has happened inspite of the doom and gloom predictions. For instance reports today on BBC news say that UK unemployment is at a 42 year low. Consumer price inflation seems to be holding steady and bucking expectations. UK wage expectations grow by better than expected. The Outlook is currently positive.

Perhaps the more one understands, the more daunting our future looks. I'm not afraid but I do have some serious concerns.

Employment has risen and that’s fantastic but one has to wonder, what percentage of new employment is part time, zero hour contracts, constrained hours due to those on benefits. What percentage are in taxpayer-backed training schemes or self-employed or not earning a living wage and how much disguised unemployment is there? (When someone is refused benefits, they are not counted as unemployed). How many of these employed people are underemployed? http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/41...-unemployment/

Inflation is outstripping wage growth. Salaries presently stand at 2.1 percent and inflation is 2.7 percent and the Bank of England suggests it could hit 3 percent by the end of this year. To top it all, the Bank of England has given a strong indication to an interest rate rise.