[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's right, WTO have mode 4 of GATS.

Here's what it will mean for us...

'Race to the bottom'
Mode 4, according to a definition by the WTO, refers to the "temporary movement of natural persons: when independent service providers or employees of a multinational firm temporarily move to another country".
Indian officials called for 40,000 workers to come to Europe under this scheme but EU negotiators said it should be half that. Twelve thousand of those could come to the UK.

Linda Kaucher, an academic studying trade deals, says this would not be good for British workers.
"I think it means an absolute race to the bottom now and in the future for jobs for UK workers," she says. "Numbers studying computing at university have slumped here because people don't want to be in competition with cheap labour. That means a real de-skilling for the country."

In a statement to the EU, she said that "insofar as Mode 4 allows corporations to bring cheaper labour into EU countries and capitalise on the wage differential, workers in the host countries have a great deal to lose".
The TUC has joined the debate, saying it does not want commitments that could lead to the exploitation of Indian workers or those already with access to the UK jobs market.
Owen Tudor, head of the TUC's EU and international relations department, tells the BBC that he is worried about "the under-cutting of the labour market in the UK, particularly for skilled graduates".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20525842

I really don't see that that would cause any significant issues as (from what I can tell from that and a couple of other documents I have read - not the easiest read) Mode 4 only includes; temporary movement, in practice highly skilled such as managers, executives and specialists, foreign employees of foreign companies established in the host country, self-employed and employees of a foreign supplier.

It does not include; permanent migration, residence, citizenship or employment on a permanent basis, persons working in non-service industries or persons' seeking to enter the employment market.

So no benefit claimants or people coming here to stay!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I really don't see that that would cause any significant issues as (from what I can tell from that and a couple of other documents I have read - not the easiest read) Mode 4 only includes; temporary movement, in practice highly skilled such as managers, executives and specialists, foreign employees of foreign companies established in the host country, self-employed and employees of a foreign supplier.

It does not include; permanent migration, residence, citizenship or employment on a permanent basis, persons working in non-service industries or persons' seeking to enter the employment market.

So no benefit claimants or people coming here to stay!

That means you can't come here looking for a job... but if you are coming here to DO a job, that's fine.
Employees of companies established in the host country? So that's quite a lot of employees in manufacturing, IT, engineering,
People working in the service industries are fine so that's unskilled workers covered housekeepers, waiting staff, bar and warehouse work.

Look at the original article I posted specifically this comment..

''Indian officials called for 40,000 workers to come to Europe under this scheme but EU negotiators said it should be half that. Twelve thousand of those could come to the UK.''

Without the EU negotiating how many will enter to take jobs, how can you suggest it won't have an impact?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That means you can't come here looking for a job... but if you are coming here to DO a job, that's fine.
Employees of companies established in the host country? So that's quite a lot of employees in manufacturing, IT, engineering,
People working in the service industries are fine so that's unskilled workers covered housekeepers, waiting staff, bar and warehouse work.

Look at the original article I posted specifically this comment..

''Indian officials called for 40,000 workers to come to Europe under this scheme but EU negotiators said it should be half that. Twelve thousand of those could come to the UK.''

Without the EU negotiating how many will enter to take jobs, how can you suggest it won't have an impact?

But according to remainers there will be a significant labour shortage after Brexit. Under WTO rules those filling those jobs will be here on an as needed basis and not with a plan of gaining permanent residency and all the benefits and entitlements that go along with that. We will have more control.

Under the open borders rules of a soft Brexit untold numbers will come here of which many will stay permanently and many will claim benefits and social housing etc. We will have no control. Many people voted to gain control of our borders - despite the leavers trying their best to ignore that crucial fact.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But according to remainers there will be a significant labour shortage after Brexit. Under WTO rules those filling those jobs will be here on an as needed basis and not with a plan of gaining permanent residency and all the benefits and entitlements that go along with that. We will have more control.

Under the open borders rules of a soft Brexit untold numbers will come here of which many will stay permanently and many will claim benefits and social housing etc. We will have no control. Many people voted to gain control of our borders - despite the leavers trying their best to ignore that crucial fact.

And how does that help us?... How are we to gain secure permanent employment with a conveyor belt of cheap foreign labour, they will also have to have somewhere to live whilst here naturally are you advocating a rise in slum living, 10 to a room? :/

What use is social housing or any other housing if you have no job to pay for it? The whole issue surrounding the Eastern Europeans working in the UK was that they were taking jobs and undercutting wages not sitting on the dole.

What control do you have in all seriousness with mode 4? None, nothing is any different to how it was within the EU it's simply free movement in another guise.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And how does that help us?... How are we to gain secure permanent employment with a conveyor belt of cheap foreign labour, they will also have to have somewhere to live whilst here naturally are you advocating a rise in slum living, 10 to a room? :/

What use is social housing or any other housing if you have no job to pay for it? The whole issue surrounding the Eastern Europeans working in the UK was that they were taking jobs and undercutting wages not sitting on the dole.

What control do you have in all seriousness with mode 4? None, nothing is any different to how it was within the EU it's simply free movement in another guise.

We already have cheap foreign labour courtesy of free movement from the EU, but under WTO rules people won't have the right to settle here, only to work, giving us more control. Personally I don't believe Mode 4 will be a requirement but if it is there should be plenty of jobs for all when unlimited, uncontrolled migration from the EU stops.

It was after all the pro-EU open borders lot scaremongering about the effects stopping free movement from the EU would have on industry claiming business and industry would collapse without access to a regular supply of labour so hardly supports your theories that there won't be enough jobs.