[Underscore]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Why, what's so great about it?

Let me summise:

- Access to the single market
- 43 years of peace
- ERASMUS+ opportunities for students to live and work abroad
- Action on climate change with investment in renewable energies
- European Medicine Agency
- Clean air quality
- International Academic Collaboration
- European Arrest Warrant
- European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development
- EU Export Market (54% of UK goods and 40% of UK services)
- Equal Pay Laws
- Clean Beaches
- The Customs Union
- Cheaper Air Travel
- Fisheries Funding
- Consumer Rights Protection
- Animal Rights Protection
- Infrastructure Funding
- Protected Status for UK foods
- Research Funding
- Biodiversity Strategy
- Cheaper and easier holidays

If you wish for me to elaborate and extend on any points I can.

All or most of this will go. The only way to save at least half of this will be if Theresa May negotiates a good deal (unlikely) or if we have a second ref and the deal gets trashed and renegotiated democratically.

Also I forgot to add EURATOM.

Not all of the EU is bad.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Let me summise:

- Access to the single market
- 43 years of peace
- ERASMUS+ opportunities for students to live and work abroad
- Action on climate change with investment in renewable energies
- European Medicine Agency
- Clean air quality
- International Academic Collaboration
- European Arrest Warrant
- European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development
- EU Export Market (54% of UK goods and 40% of UK services)
- Equal Pay Laws
- Clean Beaches
- The Customs Union
- Cheaper Air Travel
- Fisheries Funding
- Consumer Rights Protection
- Animal Rights Protection
- Infrastructure Funding
- Protected Status for UK foods
- Research Funding
- Biodiversity Strategy
- Cheaper and easier holidays

If you wish for me to elaborate and extend on any points I can.

All or most of this will go. The only way to save at least half of this will be if Theresa May negotiates a good deal (unlikely) or if we have a second ref and the deal gets trashed and renegotiated democratically.

Also I forgot to add EURATOM.

Not all of the EU is bad.

The vote was democratic - trying to overturn that vote because you don't like it is undemocratic.

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The vote was democratic - trying to overturn that vote because you don't like it is undemocratic.

I never said we should overturn the vote. I said we should have a vote on the deal

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The vote was democratic - trying to overturn that vote because you don't like it is undemocratic.

Where did he say he wanted to overturn it? He just stated it as a possibility.

Also, if there was a second referendum and the public voted against Brexit how would that be undemocratic? It's democracy in motion. Any vote that is decided by the public is democratic, not just the votes that went your way.

You really need to stop telling people they aren't democratic or that they don't respect democracy just because they don't share your views. You only pretend to respect democracy when it goes your way.

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Where did he say he wanted to overturn it? He just stated it as a possibility.

Also, if there was a second referendum and the public voted against Brexit how would that be undemocratic? It's democracy in motion. Any vote that is decided by the public is democratic, not just the votes that went your way.

You really need to stop telling people they aren't democratic or that they don't respect democracy just because they don't share your views. You only pretend to respect democracy when it goes your way.

This.

If we voted to Remain on a 52-48 margin, he/she would be totally up in arms and they wouldn't shut up about it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Where did he say he wanted to overturn it? He just stated it as a possibility.

Also, if there was a second referendum and the public voted against Brexit how would that be undemocratic? It's democracy in motion. Any vote that is decided by the public is democratic, not just the votes that went your way.

You really need to stop telling people they aren't democratic or that they don't respect democracy just because they don't share your views. You only pretend to respect democracy when it goes your way.

We were told back in 2016 there would be a referendum, not a second to ensure the remainers got the result they wanted. Maybe the leavers can demand a third democratic vote if they don't get the result they want.

It isn't democratic to overturn a public vote to get the vote you want. And that is what is happening here. It's you and some other remainers who only respect democracy when it goes their way. That has been demonstrated by the constant whinging from the remainers for the last year and constant demands to redo the vote.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

We were told back in 2016 there would be a referendum, not a second to ensure the remainers got the result they wanted. Maybe the leavers can demand a third democratic vote if they don't get the result they want.

It isn't democratic to overturn a public vote to get the vote you want. And that is what is happening here. It's you and some other remainers who only respect democracy when it goes their way. That has been demonstrated by the constant whinging from the remainers for the last year and constant demands to redo the vote.

Like Vicky said, before the result was revealed Leavers were already demanding another vote because they thought they lost.

Get this silly idea of 'overturning' the vote out of your head, if there was another referendum and the public democratically voted to remain then that's the democratic decision of the people, just like how it would be democracy if they voted to leave again. Honestly do you believe that, if people voted for a different party from the one currently in power during an election then they've undemocratically 'overturned' the previous election? No because that's silly, the people are always allowed to change their minds, that's the ****ing point of a referendum!

All votes are democratic whether you like them or not and NO vote has ever been final, we have left the EU before and have decided to rejoin afterwards remember. If referendums were as permanent as you make them out to be then the very act of voting to leave in the 2016 Referendum would have been considered undemocratic by your standards since we had our referendum on the issue in 1975 and chose to remain.

As for your last paragraph, have you not been reading the thread? Did you purposefully choose to ignore the two posts in which I've said I want a hard brexit at this point? Also, can you stop speaking of democracy until you actually understand what Democracy is? Because you sure as hell haven't displayed any understanding in this thread or any thread when you bring up the same argument in an attempt to silence anyone who has an opinion you don't like.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The vote was democratic - trying to overturn that vote because you don't like it is undemocratic.

Not a person who voted leave would ever have asked for another vote if the result had been to stay by a small margin mind would they. Of course not

Leavers were already asking for another vote before the shock result came in. Farage included