[Crimson Dynamo]

There is a reason why people grow out of socialsm...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There is a reason why people grow out of socialsm...

Yeah, generally as they get a bit selfish as they age. Tend to have their own houses and good jobs and no money troubles and start to think more about themselves than everyone else. Which obviously is not a totally bad thing and they clearly worked hard to get where they are, but some redistribution of wealth to help the less well off is obviously needed. Else we would be stepping over homeless people on every corner. And the disabled, jobless or just not well paid people would simply die or turn to crime to feed/house/clothe themselves :S

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

redistribution of wealth to help the less well off is obviously needed.

Why should money be redistributed, instead of finding ways for people to earn their own money?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

instead of finding ways for people to earn their own money?

What do you propose until somebody finds a way to do this? Wait?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why should money be redistributed, instead of finding ways for people to earn their own money?

Obviously full employment all in well paid, stable jobs (meaning, enough to actually live on, not loaded) would be fantastic, but its never going to happen. So redistribution is the more realistic option tbh

If enough jobs were to be created where everyone capable of working could do so, and all of these jobs paid a living wage...this is clearly the preferable option . That way everyone could pay their own way. But when like half the country are either disabled, jobless or in low paid jobs/0 hour contracts and so on, others lucky enough to be paid decently should be chipping in to help those who cannot help the situations they are in. Its the only way people can...survive.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why should money be redistributed, instead of finding ways for people to earn their own money?

As Vicky said; because unfortunately we live in the real world, not in fairytale land where there is ample full time employment at decent wages available for every citizen.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As Vicky said; because unfortunately we live in the real world, not in fairytale land where there is ample full time employment at decent wages available for every citizen.

Decent wages requires decent effort - something many can’t be Bothered with. Why should those that can’t be bothered get the same as those that can? Takes away the motivation for those that DO.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Decent wages requires decent effort - something many can’t be Bothered with. Why should those that can’t be bothered get the same as those that can? Takes away the motivation for those that DO.

Brillo are we really going to go over this again? Not all hard work leads to good wages, and not all good wages come from hard work. On top of that, there are not enough jobs for full employment to start with, and even the lowest skilled of fulltime jobs should provide enough income for basic sustenance. Noone who works fulltime should have to claim any benefits. Either wages need to go up or cost of living goes down. I really don't understand where this idea that the only people out of work or in lower paying jobs are people who simply aren't motivated to be rich comes from...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Brillo are we really going to go over this again? Not all hard work leads to good wages, and not all good wages come from hard work. On top of that, there are not enough jobs for full employment to start with, and even the lowest skilled of fulltime jobs should provide enough income for basic sustenance. Noone who works fulltime should have to claim any benefits. Either wages need to go up or cost of living goes down. I really don't understand where this idea that the only people out of work or in lower paying jobs are people who simply aren't motivated to be rich comes from...

I’m certainly not saying that all unemployed or low earners are lazy, but a lot are. The times I have heard people say why should they work in a low paid job if they can get the same in benefits - eh! What about for the self respect of paying their way until they can find something better.

It is also a well accepted fact that it is easier to get a job if you already have one. It’s called Thinking ahead and doing all you can to help yourself.

‘Nothing worth having comes easy’. There is a reason why such expressions exist - because they are so true!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah, generally as they get a bit selfish as they age. Tend to have their own houses and good jobs and no money troubles and start to think more about themselves than everyone else. Which obviously is not a totally bad thing and they clearly worked hard to get where they are, but some redistribution of wealth to help the less well off is obviously needed. Else we would be stepping over homeless people on every corner. And the disabled, jobless or just not well paid people would simply die or turn to crime to feed/house/clothe themselves :S

this.