[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

redistribution of wealth to help the less well off is obviously needed.

Why should money be redistributed, instead of finding ways for people to earn their own money?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

instead of finding ways for people to earn their own money?

What do you propose until somebody finds a way to do this? Wait?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why should money be redistributed, instead of finding ways for people to earn their own money?

Obviously full employment all in well paid, stable jobs (meaning, enough to actually live on, not loaded) would be fantastic, but its never going to happen. So redistribution is the more realistic option tbh

If enough jobs were to be created where everyone capable of working could do so, and all of these jobs paid a living wage...this is clearly the preferable option . That way everyone could pay their own way. But when like half the country are either disabled, jobless or in low paid jobs/0 hour contracts and so on, others lucky enough to be paid decently should be chipping in to help those who cannot help the situations they are in. Its the only way people can...survive.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why should money be redistributed, instead of finding ways for people to earn their own money?

As Vicky said; because unfortunately we live in the real world, not in fairytale land where there is ample full time employment at decent wages available for every citizen.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As Vicky said; because unfortunately we live in the real world, not in fairytale land where there is ample full time employment at decent wages available for every citizen.

Decent wages requires decent effort - something many can’t be Bothered with. Why should those that can’t be bothered get the same as those that can? Takes away the motivation for those that DO.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Decent wages requires decent effort - something many can’t be Bothered with. Why should those that can’t be bothered get the same as those that can? Takes away the motivation for those that DO.

Brillo are we really going to go over this again? Not all hard work leads to good wages, and not all good wages come from hard work. On top of that, there are not enough jobs for full employment to start with, and even the lowest skilled of fulltime jobs should provide enough income for basic sustenance. Noone who works fulltime should have to claim any benefits. Either wages need to go up or cost of living goes down. I really don't understand where this idea that the only people out of work or in lower paying jobs are people who simply aren't motivated to be rich comes from...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Brillo are we really going to go over this again? Not all hard work leads to good wages, and not all good wages come from hard work. On top of that, there are not enough jobs for full employment to start with, and even the lowest skilled of fulltime jobs should provide enough income for basic sustenance. Noone who works fulltime should have to claim any benefits. Either wages need to go up or cost of living goes down. I really don't understand where this idea that the only people out of work or in lower paying jobs are people who simply aren't motivated to be rich comes from...

I’m certainly not saying that all unemployed or low earners are lazy, but a lot are. The times I have heard people say why should they work in a low paid job if they can get the same in benefits - eh! What about for the self respect of paying their way until they can find something better.

It is also a well accepted fact that it is easier to get a job if you already have one. It’s called Thinking ahead and doing all you can to help yourself.

‘Nothing worth having comes easy’. There is a reason why such expressions exist - because they are so true!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I’m certainly not saying that all unemployed or low earners are lazy, but a lot are. The times I have heard people say why should they work in a low paid job if they can get the same in benefits - eh! What about for the self respect of paying their way until they can find something better.

It is also a well accepted fact that it is easier to get a job if you already have one. It’s called Thinking ahead and doing all you can to help yourself.

‘Nothing worth having comes easy’. There is a reason why such expressions exist - because they are so true!

Well yes, those people are just lazy, and also wrong. I don't really understand how anyone could think this when a quick check online on one of the benefit checker things shows that noone is better off on benefits than in work. Unless they have severe disabilities, where the amounts are about the same, but tbh I wouldn't expect anyone with severe disabilities to work anyway unless they wanted to.

I wouldn't say its a lot that are like this either tbh. More a minority who are paraded around in the press on a regular basis to make out that loads are like that I think. And a loud minority in real life too...as those genuinely seeking work won't be going about 'bragging' about benefits and such...as most people are ashamed to claim so wouldn't talk about it(because of the stigma attached) so you will only hear from people who are just pisstakers really. But yes, that attitude is pretty **** I obviously agree with that.

Though honestly...I think there must be something very wrong with people who think having 70 quid a week to pay bills and feed yourself is a way they WANT to live

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well yes, those people are just lazy, and also wrong. I don't really understand how anyone could think this when a quick check online on one of the benefit checker things shows that noone is better off on benefits than in work. Unless they have severe disabilities, where the amounts are about the same, but tbh I wouldn't expect anyone with severe disabilities to work anyway unless they wanted to.

I wouldn't say its a lot that are like this either tbh. More a minority who are paraded around in the press on a regular basis to make out that loads are like that I think. And a loud minority in real life too...as those genuinely seeking work won't be going about 'bragging' about benefits and such...as most people are ashamed to claim so wouldn't talk about it(because of the stigma attached) so you will only hear from people who are just pisstakers really. But yes, that attitude is pretty **** I obviously agree with that.

Though honestly...I think there must be something very wrong with people who think having 70 quid a week to pay bills and feed yourself is a way they WANT to live

I think things have changed considerably since the introduction of universal credit, the aim of which was clearly to stop such attitudes but seems to have gone too far the other way. At the very least people should have their rent and council tax paid as well as the benefit rate for everything else. You hear about so many losing their homes because it is impossible to pay anything towards their rent out of the amount they receive in benefits.

The disabled are a different category because they can’t work and are entitled to a higher, liveable rate of benefit.