[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Are you also saying that parent are to blame if they don't give in to everything a child demands? What if someone's child doesn't like the look of ears and wants them removed at 7?

They are not an earless person in a person-with-ears body. Why do you keep making ****e comparisons, do you even understand the topic?! This is the same as your princess metaphor.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

They are not an earless person in a person-with-ears body. Why do you keep making ****e comparisons, do you even understand the topic?! This is the same as your princess metaphor.

Its not really a crap metaphor though, but for sake of the conversation, I will bite here. What is the difference between someone who is transgender and transabled? Or in the case of that Rachel Dolezqal person, trans-racial? Really?

Transabled people are distressed by what they consider to be limbs that do not belong to them, they are disabled people trapped in able bodies. They have surgeries (if they can find doctors willing to do them) to correct this. In what way is this different to considering yourself a different sex than you are and having surgeries to 'fix' this?

My view on pretty much the whole topic is that adults should do whatever they feel will help them in their daily lives tbh (though studies show that 'transition' is not a cure as some think, as mental health a few years after the original honeymoon period actually goes downhill) but kids should be left well alone. We shouldn't be using kids in experimental treatments. There are enough 'detransitioners' to question this 'surgery or die' rhetoric that we are fed. Also the likes of mermaids should be ****ing ashamed for peddling this '50% of transkids kill themselves' nonsense. Scaring parents into medicating their children for life. When in MOST cases, the kid if just left to go through puberty would be perfectly happy as an adult, and in most cases simply gay. Yes, a handful of these kids will turn out to actually be transsexual when they are older, but I don't get why its seen as a good thing to treat ALL questioning kids with these powerful and dangerous drugs, on the offchance that they are one of the 20% (or less) who continue to question as adults.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its not really a crap metaphor though, but for sake of the conversation, I will bite here. What is the difference between someone who is transgender and transabled? Or in the case of that Rachel Dolezqal person, trans-racial? Really?

Difference is, up to this date, only one of those things can be scientifically proven.... Theres also no evidence to being an earless person in a person with ears body either. So yeah crap lol. Unless of course I'm wrong and it can be scientifically proven that you can be an earless person, I didnt actually Google.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Difference is, up to this date, only one of those things can be scientifically proven.... Theres also no evidence to being an earless person in a person with ears body either. So yeah crap lol. Unless of course I'm wrong and it can be scientifically proven that you can be an earless person, I didnt actually Google.

What do you mean by this? That males trapped in female bodies and vice versa can actually be scientifically proven?

Earless people, do exist apparently. I didn't know that either

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenesis

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

What do you mean by this? That males trapped in female bodies and vice versa can actually be scientifically proven?

Earless people, do exist apparently. I didn't know that either

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenesis

Yes, there are several difference in the male and female brain. Off the top of my head, males have 7x more grey matter than females, and females have 10x more white matter than males, this leads to several behavioural differences and can be seen in frmi scanners. MTF brains very closely resemble a female brain and vice versa.
I'm not sure if transabled brains and transracial brains are currently being examined in similar ways, but I do look for articles on the topic regularly, it does interest me... to my knowledge, currently, theres no scientific foundation to people identifying this way being based on anything substantial.. yet.. (this might be controversial of me, but i dont think that evidence will ever exist).

Eta. Same goes for earless people trapped in ear-ful bodies... probably

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yes, there are several difference in the male and female brain. Off the top of my head, males have 7x more grey matter than females, and females have 10x more white matter than females, this leads to several behavioural differences and can be seen in frmi scanners. MTF brains very closely resemble a female brain and vice versa.
I'm not sure if transabled brains and transracial brains are currently being examined in similar ways, but I do look for articles on the topic regularly, it does interest me... to my knowledge, currently, theres no scientific foundation to people identifying this way being based on anything substantial.. yet.. (this might be controversial of me, but i dont think that evidence will ever exist).

Eta. Same goes for earless people trapped in ear-ful bodies.

There are differences in average female and male brains. There is no such thing as a male or female brain though, and most people cross over. Hell, black cab drivers have 'different' brains to the rest of the population simply because of their jobs. Brains are plastic, and there have never been any studies to actually prove this 'female brain in a male body' or anything. Ever. And I am fairly sure with the amount of cash thrown at this, if there was any proof, it would be shouted from the rooftops.

Transabled people have Body integrity identity disorder...which does show on brain scans. As...brains are plastic. So lived experiences will often show up. If a person convinces themselves a limb does not belong to them, the brain will adapt.

https://www.newscientist.com/article...n-brain-scans/

Trans is IMO, an extension of BIID. And similar to anorexia too (which also shows up in brain scans)


None of this has anything to do with the ethics of giving chemo drugs to children who don't need them though really. Which is the problem here. Adults can do whatever the hell they want to do to modify themselves, up to them.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

There are differences in average female and male brains. There is no such thing as a male or female brain though, and most people cross over. Hell, black cab drivers have 'different' brains to the rest of the population simply because of their jobs. Brains are plastic, and there have never beern any studies to prove this 'female brain in a male body' or anything. Ever. And I am fairly sure with the amount of cash thrown at this, if there was any proof, it would be shouted from the rooftops.

Transabled people have Body integrity identity disorder...which does show on brain scans. As...brains are plastic. So lived experiences will often show up. If a person convinces themselves a limb does not belong to them, the brain will adapt.

https://www.newscientist.com/article...n-brain-scans/

Trans is IMO, an extension of BIID. And similar to anorexia too (which also shows up in brain scans)

I agree with no 'entirely male brain' but when a boy has a typical female brain, and when that can be seen on scanners, and when a parent would deny the child a drug that would stop that female turning into an adult male, its a bit.... wrong? Cruel? Dumb? Outdated? Especially if the child, or teen can verbally express that they know their gender, and this can be backed up.

I'll give your transabled link a read a little later on.. the main theory about that transracial woman is her link to her traumatic childhood.. details are hazy.. but I think her Uncle or father used to make her eat her own vomit, and researchers concluded that she may have wanted to identify as a race that were also poorly treated for that reason. I suppose it could be similar for transabled people? I dont think theres enough history on either topic for anyone to make conclusions.. unlike transgender, thats getting pretty solid now..