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The act of Blackface is inherently racist.
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Women are and always have been a maligned group and treated as a second-class by many men worldwide despite making up 50% of the population, which is worse. I am not aware of any shouts of sexism when men dress as women but it’s very different if a white person dresses as a Zulu. It’s double standards. It proves to me that the constant uproar about so-called racism has more to do with what is fashionable and PC and being seen to be doing the right thing than it does with any real concerns with equality as any such genuine concerns would not be so selective. |
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Nope, I said ask Zulus to perform instead, not blacken your face in some conceited attempt to emulate them.
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I think this constant over-reaction to anything related to skin colour has undermined and devalued racism and it has lost its meaning. It has been used and abused and I don’t believe it has done race relations any favours. As a woman you can’t even see the selective nature of ‘racism’ today by many and how sexism is treated as a poor second. I find that disturbing. |
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I was aboult to start a thread on the impact of sexist attitudes in the UK strangely, I look forward to your input in that. http://www.itv.com/news/2017-08-23/h...s-dress-sense/
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Heaven forbid that we not be OK with someone having a jolly good ol' time at the expense of others Alf.
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So maybe you're right. Maybe people jumping the gun and crying racism at every opportunity has lead people to be desensitised and ignorant to actual historical events that might deserve a little cultural sensitivity. Such as this one. Last edited by user104658; 01-11-2017 at 01:41 PM. |
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''I think this constant over-reaction to anything related to skin colour has undermined and devalued racism and it has lost its meaning.''
Or... some never gave a toss about racism in the first instance. I have to say in relation to things being distasteful the intonation that racism is tolerable because those who you suggest make accusations of racism are sexist is the most bizarre excuse for prejudice I have ever heard Brillo.
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Having lived in both South Africa and Zimbabwe and our history lessons were full of the Southern African history I can still say I don't see it as racist.
The British were at war with the Zulu and did indeed kill many, but they also made their peace over the years. The Zulu tribe also killed many and massacred innocents from other tribes. That is in the past. Celebrating what great warriors they were and dressing in their traditional dress Could be seen as a celebration of them rather than racist, depends on your mindset I suppose. It is fancy dress in a parade by one of seven historic groups. I would be more concerned that people feel they have to hide our part in the history of the world. Good or bad. |
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As it is, you're taking an unrelated topic, and warping it to make a point about something else. Note: Using the term PC fifty times a day does not give your posts more validity. |
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"Blacking up" would be another altogether I think. |
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![]() If there are actually Zulu people in Lewes offended by it then it should be stopped, but it appears not to be the case. I would be obviously very anti "blacking up" if it was in any way meant to be derogatory. |
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I find it all absurd. Last edited by Brillopad; 01-11-2017 at 02:42 PM. |
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Anyone: "Well, I think this could be seen as racist because..." Brillo: "SOME PEOPLE ARE SEXIST." "They are Brillo, that's true and a problem. But back to the actual topic being discussed..." "OMG I can't believe you don't care about sexism??" The only word for it is bizarre. Very similar to when The Truth used to come into every thread and say "OH YEAH well men have a high suicide rate and never get custody of the kids!" ... And you hated that. |
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But many black Zulu dancers and festival goers will blacken their face. Face blackening is a Zulu tradition of mysticism and magic. If white people understand those traditions and want to take part, should we stop them because its we think they are trying to impersonate a black person or because we don't think white people should join in with the mysticism and magic?
My nieces whitened their faces for 'Day of the Dead' in Mexico last year. They weren't trying to look like white people, they weren't taking the mickey or being disrespectful to white people; they were joining in with paying respect to the dead.
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Your own drag example shows how 'womanface' is offensive to some. So surely it stands to reason that 'blackface' is offensive to some also. Not every woman would be offended by 'womanface' or equate it with sexism (I am somewhat conflicted on that matter actually..as I do not believe woman is a costume that can be just pulled on at will, its a biological reality. BUT, I still do enjoy drag shows, whilst acknowledging that some find them offensive and I do acknowledge that they tend to be quite sexist), in the same regard as not every black person would be offended by 'blackface' or equate it with racism. Class politics is a bit of a minefield though generally, as obviously differing opinions exist on all sides as no one demographic is a hive mind. But blackface is regarded by most as totally unnecessary (the only defense of this each time it is brought up seems to be 'but a better costume'), offensive, and racist. As such, blackface is not accepted by most rational people. Yes, some people do seem to get offended at every little thing. And this 'microagression!' 'safe space' and such cries are very OTT and attentionseeking in so many instances. I do not believe that this is an instance where people are just looking to be offended though. Not by a long shot. Last edited by Vicky.; 01-11-2017 at 03:03 PM. |
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Even with that huge paragraph, I admit I don't know much about Zulu people though tbh. So may be entirely off bat here. Blackface in general as part of a costume, is unacceptable.
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Who said Zulus weren't black? Who said black is a dirty word? Who is offended at the mention of skin colour? Who said there was anything wrong with being black and proud? Oh wait.... the actual discussion was about white people "blacking up", yes that was it. |
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If not, why not? Shouldn’t that be a question some should ask themselves. It does feel that people either want to be offended or have been conditioned to be offended by PC. |
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You've been watching 'White Chicks' haven't you?...
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