[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Isn't the difference here that Chuff comments on people who put themselves in the public eye do they must expect some negative as well as positives, their kids are off limits as they don't have a choice?

Morals or lack of them Cherie !!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Isn't the difference here that Chuff comments on people who put themselves in the public eye do they must expect some negative as well as positives, their kids are off limits as they don't have a choice?

No, that's not a difference at all. In fact I'd say that's akin to victim blaming. 'Well they volunteered to be on TV so I get to call them a wh*re, say they're ugly, that they are bad parents, that they don't care about being recently bereaved'. Someone being on television does not grant you a carte blanche mandate to be as nasty and misogynistic as you possibly can. They are just people on a screen, it's perfectly possible to dislike somebody on reality TV or in the public eye without sinking to such levels, all that's required is a good moral compass.

The difference here is that Chuff's comments are deliberately and intentionally malicious - she is not joking. Frankie Boyle is a comedian, doing comedy up on a comedy stage. Jokes are not serious remarks that are intentionally malicious, and his particular brand of comedy works on the shock factor of the joke, not what he's said per se. To be outraged over a joke about a disabled person but have no issues making disparaging sexist/racist comments oneself is complete double standards, and shows that one's priorities are totally misplaced. Also, to decry that racially insensitive costumes are 'just a bit of fun!!!!' and any criticism is 'PC gone mad' but to then have an issue with a comedian's jokes which is precisely the same thing, is all kinds of absurd.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Morals or lack of them Cherie !!

For the third time in this thread, the only person with a lack of morals is the one who finds pleasure in mocking the appearance of people they've never met, and going so low as to criticise the recently bereaved. That's the very definition of morally bereft. But keep trying!

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No, that's not a difference at all. In fact I'd say that's akin to victim blaming. 'Well they volunteered to be on TV so I get to call them a wh*re, say they're ugly, that they are bad parents, that they don't care about being recently bereaved'. Someone being on television does not grant you a carte blanche mandate to be as nasty and misogynistic as you possibly can. They are just people on a screen, it's perfectly possible to dislike somebody on reality TV or in the public eye without sinking to such levels, all that's required is a good moral compass.

The difference here is that Chuff's comments are deliberately and intentionally malicious - she is not joking. Frankie Boyle is a comedian, doing comedy up on a comedy stage. Jokes are not serious remarks that are intentionally malicious, and his particular brand of comedy works on the shock factor of the joke, not what he's said per se. To be outraged over a joke about a disabled person but have no issues making disparaging sexist/racist comments oneself is complete double standards, and shows that one's priorities are totally misplaced. Also, to decry that racially insensitive costumes are 'just a bit of fun!!!!' and any criticism is 'PC gone mad' but to then have an issue with a comedian's jokes which is precisely the same thing, is all kinds of absurd.



For the third time in this thread, the only person with a lack of morals is the one who finds pleasure in mocking the appearance of people they've never met, and going so low as to criticise the recently bereaved. That's the very definition of morally bereft. But keep trying!

"Also, to decry that racially insensitive costumes are 'just a bit of fun!!!!"

which?

Please dont tell me you mean the Zulu one?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No, that's not a difference at all. In fact I'd say that's akin to victim blaming. 'Well they volunteered to be on TV so I get to call them a wh*re, say they're ugly, that they are bad parents, that they don't care about being recently bereaved'. Someone being on television does not grant you a carte blanche mandate to be as nasty and misogynistic as you possibly can. They are just people on a screen, it's perfectly possible to dislike somebody on reality TV or in the public eye without sinking to such levels, all that's required is a good moral compass.

The difference here is that Chuff's comments are deliberately and intentionally malicious - she is not joking. Frankie Boyle is a comedian, doing comedy up on a comedy stage. Jokes are not serious remarks that are intentionally malicious, and his particular brand of comedy works on the shock factor of the joke, not what he's said per se. To be outraged over a joke about a disabled person but have no issues making disparaging sexist/racist comments oneself is complete double standards, and shows that one's priorities are totally misplaced. Also, to decry that racially insensitive costumes are 'just a bit of fun!!!!' and any criticism is 'PC gone mad' but to then have an issue with a comedian's jokes which is precisely the same thing, is all kinds of absurd.



For the third time in this thread, the only person with a lack of morals is the one who finds pleasure in mocking the appearance of people they've never met, and going so low as to criticise the recently bereaved. That's the very definition of morally bereft. But keep trying!

yet you are happy for Frankie to do this on TV where it will highly likely the family of the child in question will see it, but get outraged by Chuff making (a lot of the time) tongue in cheek comments on a BB forum that are highly unlikely to be seen by any of the people involved, bizarre.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Also, to decry that racially insensitive costumes are 'just a bit of fun!!!!"

which?

Please dont tell me you mean the Zulu one?

I mean the umpteen threads we've had recently about such and such costumes being racially insensitive or offensive. I didn't involve myself in them but I actually happen to agree that costumes are pretty much fair game in much the same way that comedy is, that's not to say that some of them aren't littered with casual racism because they are, but a joke is a joke so I can let it slide. What makes no sense is thinking that dressing up is 'a bit or fun' and that casual racism is fine, but a comedian telling jokes about the poor vulnerable disabled? Vile! Give me a break, they're one and the same. Either you oppose discrimination and isms of all forms or you think there are no boundaries in comedy, pick a side and stick to it - anything else is pure hypocrisy.

Allowing racism/homophobia/transphobia to slide and brushing it off as 'PC gone mad' but making out the disabled must be protected at all costs is all kinds of patronising. There are many disabled people, Stephen Hawking included, who have no problem being used as the butt of dark humoured jokes.

Originally Posted by Cherie

yet you are happy for Frankie to do this on TV where it will highly likely the family of the child in question will see it, but get outraged by Chuff making (a lot of the time) tongue in cheek comments on a BB forum that are highly unlikely to be seen by any of the people involved, bizarre.

How many times do I need to repeat this? Frankie Boyle is a comedian. He tells jokes. Jokes are not serious comments. Jokes are not intentionally malicious. The humour is in the shock factor of the joke, not the target itself. Chuff makes serious and intentionally malicious comments about contestants on reality shows. Chuff is not joking the large majority of the time. There's a difference, Cherie, I shouldn't have to keep explaining it.

Calling women wh*res and mocking the bereaved, and thinking a bit of casual racism in a costume is all fine and dandy cause 'it's a laugh' and 'it's PC gone mad' but then having a problem with a comedian making jokes about the disabled is both riddled with hypocrisy and also pretty patronising too.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No, that's not a difference at all. In fact I'd say that's akin to victim blaming. 'Well they volunteered to be on TV so I get to call them a wh*re, say they're ugly, that they are bad parents, that they don't care about being recently bereaved'. Someone being on television does not grant you a carte blanche mandate to be as nasty and misogynistic as you possibly can. They are just people on a screen, it's perfectly possible to dislike somebody on reality TV or in the public eye without sinking to such levels, all that's required is a good moral compass.

The difference here is that Chuff's comments are deliberately and intentionally malicious - she is not joking. Frankie Boyle is a comedian, doing comedy up on a comedy stage. Jokes are not serious remarks that are intentionally malicious, and his particular brand of comedy works on the shock factor of the joke, not what he's said per se. To be outraged over a joke about a disabled person but have no issues making disparaging sexist/racist comments oneself is complete double standards, and shows that one's priorities are totally misplaced. Also, to decry that racially insensitive costumes are 'just a bit of fun!!!!' and any criticism is 'PC gone mad' but to then have an issue with a comedian's jokes which is precisely the same thing, is all kinds of absurd.



For the third time in this thread, the only person with a lack of morals is the one who finds pleasure in mocking the appearance of people they've never met, and going so low as to criticise the recently bereaved. That's the very definition of morally bereft. But keep trying!

Oh the irony,The Xfactor thread is full of it infact it's rife on Tibb,it's only ok when it's your 'buds' doing it its seems.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh the irony,The Xfactor thread is full of it infact it's rife on Tibb,it's only ok when it's your 'buds' doing it its seems.

We've done this before Kazanne. I tend not to read the X Factor discussion threads, just post a few thoughts of my own and vacate. As I've said previously, if you have examples of these comments, please post them and I'll happily criticise them - I am not inconsistent unlike a large number of people on this forum. Also, who are these so-called 'buds'? I didn't even know I had any, I'm hardly that ingrained a member on here anymore