[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats not true. My husband always requests men for intimate exams. And male friends apparently ask for female ones and get them.

I don’t know about GP’s but hospitals are not gender specific. Best practice can be used for men or women but more often its used for women, especially around intimate care. I’m not saying best practice for men is never used but there are a lot more female nurses than male nurses so if a male patient asks for a male nurse and there is no male nurse working in that department, the hospital are not obliged to provide one.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I don’t know about GP’s but hospitals are not gender specific. Best practice can be used for men or women but more often its used for women, especially around intimate care. I’m not saying best practice for men is never used but there are a lot more female nurses than male nurses so if a male patient asks for a male nurse and there is no male nurse working in that department, the hospital are not obliged to provide one.

Oh I took your post to be meaning women can request same sex but men cannot at all.

Have never had an intimate exam done in a hospital (exception of giving birth obviously ), nor has my husband. But clearly it IS possible to request a same sex practitioner as otherwise this would not have been noted as an admin error, it would have been stated that the right to request either sex was not possible for hospital examinations.

Either way though, the nurse in this case was clearly a dick to argue with the patient claiming their gender identity meant they were actually the opposite sex when the patient said to them that they had asked for a female. So woman was fine asking for a female person to do the exam. NHS made an error but things happen I guess. HCP was very wrong to argue with patient about something patient could see with their own eyes..and to have the mistaken belief that everyone subscribes to this silly idea that physical sex is not a real thing...

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Oh I took your post to be meaning women can request same sex but men cannot at all.

Have never had an intimate exam done in a hospital (exception of giving birth obviously ), nor has my husband. But clearly it IS possible to request a same sex practitioner as otherwise this would not have been noted as an admin error, it would have been stated that the right to request either sex was not possible for hospital examinations.

Either way though, the nurse in this case was clearly a dick to argue with the patient claiming their gender identity meant they were actually the opposite sex when the patient said to them that they had asked for a female. So woman was fine asking for a female person to do the exam. NHS made an error but things happen I guess. HCP was very wrong to argue with patient about something patient could see with their own eyes..and to have the mistaken belief that everyone subscribes to this silly idea that physical sex is not a real thing...

We don't know that she argued about it or that there was anything wrong with her attitude tbf, what she said could have simply been a response to her gender being questioned, she might have been asked directly and her response was what she believes her gender to be (we also don't know that she believes everyone should agree with her... this is all assumptions, it's a small soundbite of what the nurse had said in the article and no actual comments from her to give her own pov or version). But considering the patient didn't want to raise a complaint about her I think it's unfair to assume she was being aggressive (the patient had no qualms about making a complaint against the hospital so I think it's fair to assume she would also have made a complaint about the nurse if she thought she'd been inappropriate).
The problem lies with whoever made the error in my view, the nurse shouldn't be demonised or shouldering the blame for any of this, she's just carrying out her job and trying to help people and was probably equally embarrassed and upset over the situation as the patient was.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

We don't know that she argued about it or that there was anything wrong with her attitude tbf, what she said could have simply been a response to her gender being questioned, she might have been asked directly and her response was what she believes her gender to be (we also don't know that she believes everyone should agree with her... this is all assumptions, it's a small soundbite of what the nurse had said in the article and no actual comments from her to give her own pov or version). But considering the patient didn't want to raise a complaint about her I think it's unfair to assume she was being aggressive (the patient had no qualms about making a complaint against the hospital so I think it's fair to assume she would also have made a complaint about the nurse if she thought she'd been inappropriate).
The problem lies with whoever made the error in my view, the nurse shouldn't be demonised or shouldering the blame for any of this, she's just carrying out her job and trying to help people and was probably equally embarrassed and upset over the situation as the patient was.

I didn't assume they were aggressive? But they came back with bollocks about gender identity when the patient said they asked for a female. 'Gender identity' does not make one the sex you want to be.

The nurse did not make the original mistake, but the nurse did feel the need to come back with 'gender identity' crap when the patient said they had requested a female. Thats seriously crappy for a healthcare professional. Who ought to know that some people request same sex practitioners and should understand that.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I didn't assume they were aggressive? But they came back with bollocks about gender identity when the patient said they asked for a female. 'Gender identity' does not make one the sex you want to be.

The nurse did not make the original mistake, but the nurse did feel the need to come back with 'gender identity' crap when the patient said they had requested a female. Thats seriously crappy for a healthcare professional. Who ought to know that some people request same sex practitioners and should understand that.

*swap 'aggressive' for 'argumentative' then that's what I was referring to.

All we really know is that she was questioned over her gender, and she replied with what she believes her gender to be. We know nothing else around what was said or discussed or that she was unprofessional in her dealings with the patient or argumentative. She may have handled the situation professionally for all we know but in that instance of being questioned over a personal attribute, she replied. If as an example a nurse is a born female but she looked like a man and was questioned about her gender by a patient and replied with 'I'm female'... would you consider that to be unprofessional or simply an answer to what is being asked? A strong indicator as to her professionalism or attitude would be if she was included within the patients complaint, but she wasn't. I just find this over focusing on the nurse because of 1 line in the article that assumptions are being drawn from when nothing about her attitude is even mentioned is a bit ott.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

*swap 'aggressive' for 'argumentative' then that's what I was referring to.

All we really know is that she was questioned over her gender, and she replied with what she believes her gender to be. We know nothing else around what was said or discussed or that she was unprofessional in her dealings with the patient or argumentative. She may have handled the situation professionally for all we know but in that instance of being questioned over a personal attribute, she replied. If as an example a nurse is a born female but she looked like a man and was questioned about her gender by a patient and replied with 'I'm female'... would you consider that to be unprofessional or simply an answer to what is being asked? A strong indicator as to her professionalism or attitude would be if she was included within the patients complaint, but she wasn't. I just find this over focusing on the nurse because of 1 line in the article that assumptions are being drawn from when nothing about her attitude is even mentioned is a bit ott.

The nurse would actually be female though in that case? Quite different to a male person saying they are not male. I get that they want to be female, I do. But they are not and when the patient specified that they asked for a female person (and yes, the nurse was not at fault for whoever booked the appointment sending a male person...) it should have just been 'ok, sorry about that'. Not claiming to not be male. And male is not a 'gender' either