[Crimson Dynamo]

Not sure why predominately gay members who are immersed in such topics think that your average jo public bloke will think the same as them when they come across a woman like India

its very intolerant of you tbh

You can be dismayed that society is not as accepting as you are but to be angry and start name calling is to not understand the world you live in

incremental acceptance my friends is the way it happens

Boy George got all this abuse after Karma Chameleon

Now he is a national treasure

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Not sure why predominately gay members who are immersed in such topics think that your average jo public bloke will think the same as them when they come across a woman like India

its very intolerant of you tbh

You can be dismayed that society is not as accepting as you are but to be angry and start name calling is to not understand the world you live in

incremental acceptance my friends is the way it happens

Boy George got all this abuse after Karma Chameleon

Now he is a national treasure

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Not sure why predominately gay members who are immersed in such topics think that your average jo public bloke will think the same as them when they come across a woman like India

its very intolerant of you tbh

You can be dismayed that society is not as accepting as you are but to be angry and start name calling is to not understand the world you live in

incremental acceptance my friends is the way it happens

Boy George got all this abuse after Karma Chameleon

Now he is a national treasure

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

[MTVN]

Kellie had it worse from what I remember. She faced a lot of people who both refused to see her as a woman but also questioned her motivations and thought it was a stunt etc. especially by going into the house so soon after announcing her transition. India hasn't had the latter at least

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Kellie had it worse from what I remember. She faced a lot of people who both refused to see her as a woman but also questioned her motivations and thought it was a stunt etc. especially by going into the house so soon after announcing her transition. India hasn't had the latter at least

I think it’s as a few people have said though - he also had a lot of backlash from the LGBT community as well. Almost like “Oh, so NOW you want our support?”

[ethanjames]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

you summed it up perfectly!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that people dont face challenges in life outwith their sexuality for some reason.

and that diatribe contains a lot of absolutes, some of which I have highlighted and i dont think you can speak for others or claim them as truth

You are just trying to justify calling people names because they annoyed you really

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You seem to be under the misapprehension that people dont face challenges in life outwith their sexuality for some reason.

No, you seem to be under the misapprehension that because your sexuality has never been an issue or caused you to face difficulty/challenges in life that it's the same for other people. It isn't.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, you seem to be under the misapprehension that because your sexuality has never been an issue or caused you to face difficulty/challenges in life that it's the same for other people. It isn't.

Nor has mine, and I'm not straight. Do LGB people still really face that much hardship, or is my little town just more accepting than others?

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Nor has mine, and I'm not straight. Do LGB people still really face that much hardship, or is my little town just more accepting than others?

Surely a quick browse on the internet will answer that question for you? Or read the news, watch the news, go on social media?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Nor has mine, and I'm not straight. Do LGB people still really face that much hardship, or is my little town just more accepting than others?

Do you really need to ask if your own experiences are representative of everyone?

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Do you really need to ask if your own experiences are representative of everyone?

This

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Nor has mine, and I'm not straight. Do LGB people still really face that much hardship, or is my little town just more accepting than others?

I mean, LGB people are still kicked out of their homes, are relentlessly bullied, in worse yet very real cases killed, so yeah, LGB people face that much hardship

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Nor has mine, and I'm not straight. Do LGB people still really face that much hardship, or is my little town just more accepting than others?

Are you having a laugh

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You seem to be under the misapprehension that people dont face challenges in life outwith their sexuality for some reason.

and that diatribe contains a lot of absolutes, some of which I have highlighted and i dont think you can speak for others or claim them as truth

You are just trying to justify calling people names because they annoyed you really

Well if you’re going to argue back with pedantics, a lot of the stuff you’ve highlighted there doesn’t illustrate your point of me speaking for the masses whatsoever. But it’s fine. My ultimate point is that I hope that the next time you hold TL’s hand in the street, you enjoy the feeling of not having to worry what people might shout at you or how they respond.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

Martin Luther King of the gays

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Martin Luther King of the gays

Martin Luther Queen?