[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Oh, so a woman who can't have children isn't a woman? You get better every day, don't you?

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Some women can't have babies so that's a bit of a warped viewpoint.

They weren't born women themselves would've sufficed.

This... so much.

I don't love how the women on this site seem to think they get to define what woman means.

Also... transgender implies one is transitioning. Once the transition in terms of physical gender reassignment operation is complete... the person... say India... is a woman. She is not a trans woman... she is a woman. Just because someone else chooses to put their own definition on what a woman is... doesn't make it true.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mokka

This... so much.

I don't love how the women on this site seem to think they get to define what woman means.

What is your definition of woman, that includes male people? have never heard one, ever.

Also... transgender implies one is transitioning. Once the transition in terms of physical gender reassignment operation is complete... the person... say India... is a woman. She is not a trans woman... she is a woman. Just because someone else chooses to put their own definition on what a woman is... doesn't make it true.

India is a transwoman. India will always be a transwoman. Unless India decides to detransition, at which stage India is a man. But India will never be a 'woman' unless...the meaning of woman has changed, in which case I would love to hear what the new meaning is.

Again, please let me know what the definition of woman is, if not adult human female.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

What is your definition of woman, that includes male people? have never heard one, ever.



India is a transwoman. India will always be a transwoman. Unless India decides to detransition, at which stage India is a man. But India will never be a 'woman' unless...the meaning of woman has changed, in which case I would love to hear what the new meaning is.

Again, please let me know what the definition of woman is, if not adult human female.

Tbf, I too would define someone like India as a woman. The main difference is I could also define someone like India as a transwoman too, which can't be said for 99%+ of women.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Tbf, I too would define someone like India as a woman. The main difference is I could also define someone like India as a transwoman too, which can't be said for 99%+ of women.

I know a lot of people say 'transwomen are women'. I would genuinely love to hear an explanation of what a woman is, if it includes transwomen.

I don't understand what on earth is so wrong about saying as transwoman is a transwoman. Why must a transwoman be an actual woman. Trans is a large part of who they are, why the need to erase this? I would actually say this whole 'transwoman are women' thing is transphobic as it is making out that trans is something that needs to be hidden..like a dirty little secret!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I know a lot of people say 'transwomen are women'. I would genuinely love to hear an explanation of what a woman is, if it includes transwomen.

I don't understand what on earth is so wrong about saying as transwoman is a transwoman. Why must a transwoman be an actual woman. Trans is a large part of who they are, why the need to erase this? I would actually say this whole 'transwoman are women' thing is transphobic as it is making out that trans is something that needs to be hidden..like a dirty little secret!

I guess I prioritise the mind they have today over the genitals they had at birth, I'm guessing you don't. India is a woman, and she knows this, and thats good enough for me.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I guess I prioritise the mind they have today over the genitals they had at birth, I'm guessing you don't. India is a woman, and she knows this, and thats good enough for me.

So what is a woman then?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So what is a woman then?

A person that considers themselves female. I think you're overthinking it (more than me anyway), its quite a simple thing for me.

Edit: I suppose woman/man only applies to adults, boys/girls before then.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

What is your definition of woman, that includes male people? have never heard one, ever.



India is a transwoman. India will always be a transwoman. Unless India decides to detransition, at which stage India is a man. But India will never be a 'woman' unless...the meaning of woman has changed, in which case I would love to hear what the new meaning is.

Again, please let me know what the definition of woman is, if not adult human female.

India identified as woman her whole life... but didn't have the means to make that transition, nor the societal backing, till later in life.
India is a woman. This is why being referred to as him or he is grating to her.

Honestly though Vicky.. I have read enough of you transphobic views to know there is no point in discussing this with you. But India is a woman. She went into the house as a woman. Is she a bit of a part with issues... yes... as are most CBB contestants. But she is a woman.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mokka

India identified as woman her whole life... but didn't have the means to make that transition, nor the societal backing, till later in life.
India is a woman. This is why being referred to as him or he is grating to her.

Honestly though Vicky.. I have read enough of you transphobic views to know there is no point in discussing this with you. But India is a woman. She went into the house as a woman. Is she a bit of a part with issues... yes... as are most CBB contestants. But she is a woman.

Again, what is your definition of a woman if it is not adult human female? Words need to actually mean something

And thank you. Transphobia is such a meaningless term these days anyway. I take that as a compliment.