[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

with respect, she is in a far better position to say what constitutes a woman than you are, and its very telling that peoples words are being twisted on this thread to try and make them look bad when they just disagree with the concept of a trans woman being the same as a biological woman etc.

Goading people until they flip and say something they can report, Livia knew this was on the cards and left the debate ,and thats what Im going to do too ,Ive had my say and despite what anyone says a woman is born a woman and a man is born a man

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

"My biased perimeters" get a grip love, Im stating facts , A woman is born a woman ,a man is born a man, and this is how it will stay until science comes up with the reproductive capabilities needed for both sexes

You aren't stating facts... you are stating bias... and very old school thinking. Nothing you are saying is factual. It's all rhetoric

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

"My biased perimeters" get a grip love, Im stating facts , A woman is born a woman ,a man is born a man, and this is how it will stay until science comes up with the reproductive capabilities needed for both sexes

Yes because THAT'S all we are, our reproductive capabilities.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mokka

Is she though?
Does being a woman automatically make you in a better constitution to judge other women. I disagree strongly with this logic

this thread is based on a concept.

Is a trans woman the same as a woman, the people who disagree with the concept, which is a very valid position to take here in the UK, are being made to feel like bigots, when they are nothing of the sort.

All the pulling up over how they express themselves is all related to that fact

[Northern Monkey]

At the end of the day you can’t argue with the facts

Man = Adult human male

Woman = Adult human female

If you feel like you’re the opposite to what you are then you’re trans.

Facts don’t care about feelings

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

this thread is based on a concept.

Is a trans woman the same as a woman, the people who disagree with the concept, which is a very valid position to take here in the UK, are being made to feel like bigots, when they are nothing of the sort.

All the pulling up over how they express themselves is all related to that fact

Catch up with the rest of the world and society then... because the concept has already been established.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mokka

Catch up with the rest of the world and society then... because the concept has already been established.

enough with the insults

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Goading people until they flip and say something they can report, Livia knew this was on the cards and left the debate ,and thats what Im going to do too ,Ive had my say and despite what anyone says a woman is born a woman and a man is born a man

What a load of crock blaming other people.

You and only you are responsible for the views you hold and choose to express.

Grow up and take some responsibility for your own words.

[Monkey Slut]

Okay...this is something that always comes up in these topics and it's grating because it doesn't make sense, nobody is born a man or woman be them cis or trans.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Mokka

Is she though?
Does being a woman automatically make you in a better constitution to judge other women. I disagree strongly with this logic

You can disagree all you like that doesn’t Make you right. Chuff has a point. Nature gave women the ability to create life. It’s an amazing thing and pretty fundamental to being a woman, but like everything else in life women have the choice on when and whether they have children. It is unlikely transwomen will ever have this choice and experience this.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You can disagree all you like that doesn’t Make you right. Chuff has a point. Nature gave women the ability to create life. It’s an amazing thing and pretty fundamental to being a woman, but like everything else in life women have the choice on when and whether they have children. It is unlikely transwomen will ever have this choice and experience this.

It's unlikely infertile women will ever have the choice either.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut

Okay...this is something that comes up in these topics and it's grating because it doesn't make sense, nobody is born a man or woman be them cis or trans.

Oh shush. Of course they are.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut

Okay...this is something that comes up in these topics and it's grating because it doesn't make sense, nobody is born a man or woman be them cis or trans.

What are they born then?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

What are they born then?

Baby boy

Baby girl

?

[Vicky.]

A boy or a girl

Man and woman are adult humans.


It vaguely annoys me too actually. But everyone knows whats meant

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's unlikely infertile women will ever have the choice either.

Women can be infertile for many reasons and often the infertility can be rectified. I have had friends who were told they would never have children and did - one went on to have 5 and all naturally. It isn’t all that makes a woman but it is far more fundamental and rewarding than dressing up and having sex.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's unlikely infertile women will ever have the choice either.

But they are still of the sex that has the potential to bear young, not of the sex that has the potential to sire young

I must be missing something on here. Seemed pretty sure what chuff meant to start with, if clumsily worded

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Women can be infertile for many reasons and often the infertility can be rectified. I have had friends who were told they would never have children and did - one went on to have 5 and all naturally. It isn’t all that makes a woman but it is far more fundamental and rewarding than dressing up and having sex.

Of course sometimes it's not set in stone.
But the fact is some women cannot and never will be able to have their own children naturally. So it's a little uncomfortable to read that that is the standard by which "real women" are measured.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Baby boy

Baby girl

?

Of course. And a boy is a young man and a girl is a young woman.

But I don't think that is what the poster was getting at. They were insinuating everybody is born as neither.

[Vicky.]

I would say the standard against which 'real women' are measured is that...they are female. Not male.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Of course. And a boy is a young man and a girl is a young woman.

But I don't think that is what the poster was getting at. They were insinuating everybody is born as neither.

Thats what I was trying to determine.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would say the standard against which 'real women' are measured is that...they are female. Not male.

Fair enough.

But there's an easier way to say that... the way you just did than "a woman who pushes a baby through ha cervix!!!!"

[Monkey Slut]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Of course. And a boy is a young man and a girl is a young woman.

But I don't think that is what the poster was getting at. They were insinuating everybody is born as neither.

No, that's precisely what I was getting at.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut

No, that's precisely what I was getting at.

Well that's just pointless semantics.

Of course people know you're not born an adult.

[Jake.]

I really don’t think it has to come down to such specifics

Refer to somebody as this wish to be referred as

Simple and respectful