[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

How about people of faith? I mean Muslims, a large amount of Christians, about half of Jews... their faith dictates their life. Should they be "called out" because their opinion differs, even if they wish no harm to gay people? What's the most important thing? People's religious freedom or the rights of the homosexual?

[the record, I am not one of the Jews who is against homosexuality...]

Muslims in the Middle East are carrying on a reign of terror against lots of people... women, other Muslims, other faiths, homosexuals... what should we do about them? How do you change their minds?

Religion isn't beyond criticism, believe in whatever faith you want but with Christians in particular (mainly because I'm more familiar with the bible so can talk from more of a position of knowledge when it comes to them), the bible is a mess of contradictions and most Christians choose what passages to follow, if someone chooses to follow passages that are anti-gay but are okay with eating shelfish or wearing mixed fabrics then I think it's as much the right of people to call it out as it is to the Christian to believe in it.

Like with Freedom of speech, people are free to believe in whatever they want and other people are free to question it.

As for your last point, nobody can change another person's mind. All we can do is oppose people who would seek to take people's rights away.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Religion isn't beyond criticism, believe in whatever faith you want but with Christians in particular (mainly because I'm more familiar with the bible so can talk from more of a position of knowledge when it comes to them), the bible is a mess of contradictions and most Christians choose what passages to follow, if someone chooses to follow passages that are anti-gay but are okay with eating shelfish or wearing mixed fabrics then I think it's as much the right of people to call it out as it is to the Christian to believe in it.

Like with Freedom of speech, people are free to believe in whatever they want and other people are free to question it.

As for your last point, nobody can change another person's mind. All we can do is oppose people who would seek to take people's rights away.

I agree, religion isn't beyond criticism. Personally I don't happen to believe in a God who would not love something he created, and he created us all. In my opinion... let's not turn this into a religious discussion.

Again in my opinion, people get so upset when someone says something hateful to them... instead of seeing the person who would speak in that way as a moron. I am not sticking up for people being hateful. I am saying, let them say what they want, it shows the world who they are. And maybe use that energy where people are really suffering.

I have a recent example... when visiting my fiancé's family in Texas, we both heard one of his relatives say how disappointed his parents must be with him bringing a Jew home. But at least I wasn't black. They said it with no humour... they were in earnest. So instead of a wedding in Texas like we were planning, we're getting married over here and only his parents are invited. The rest of them can go and f--- themselves. Their opinion of me means nothing because they're bigots.