[Greg!]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

People commit suicide over debt, losing their jobs and home, the gay " community" is not exclusive to suffering

What a ridiculous comment. Obviously suicide is not something that ONLY happens to trans people but the rates are much higher.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

What a ridiculous comment. Obviously suicide is not something that ONLY happens to trans people but the rates are much higher.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4882090/

Of the 298 transgender women, 41.5%of participants had 1 or more mental health or substance dependence diagnoses; 1 in 5 (20.1%) had 2 or more comorbid psychiatric diagnoses. Prevalence of specific disorders was as follows: lifetime and current major depressive episode, 35.4%and 14.7%, respectively; suicidality, 20.2%; generalized anxiety disorder, 7.9%; posttraumatic stress disorder, 9.8%; alcohol dependence, 11.2%; and nonalcohol psychoactive substance use dependence, 15.2%.

This is likely a large part of it. A lot of co-morbid mental health issues.

Also suicide rates are actually higher for trans people after transitioning (not right after, but I think it was 5/10 years later..will find the study in a bit) so it does not actually reduce the suicide rate at all. It does short term, proabbly the same was that someone with BDD having plastic surgery makes them feel better for a short period of time.

As for the question in the OP..I really do not know. I do agree life saving treatments should come first tbh but who decides whats life saving? I think its ridiculous that some kids with cancer have to be crowdfunding for treatments whilst boob jobs and such are given out though. I think there needs to be more studies done on transgender people and the medical outcomes of various treatments though, to understand it all better as it does not seem that surrect treatment regimes actually do work. Research into detransitioners was blocked recently...its odd.

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4882090/


This is likely a large part of it. A lot of co-morbid mental health issues.

Also suicide rates are actually higher for trans people after transitioning (not right after, but I think it was 5/10 years later..will find the study in a bit) so it does not actually reduce the suicide rate at all. It does short term, proabbly the same was that someone with BDD having plastic surgery makes them feel better for a short period of time.

As for the question in the OP..I really do not know. I do agree life saving treatments should come first tbh but who decides whats life saving? I think its ridiculous that some kids with cancer have to be crowdfunding for treatments whilst boob jobs and such are given out though. I think there needs to be more studies done on transgender people and the medical outcomes of various treatments though, to understand it all better as it does not seem that surrect treatment regimes actually do work. Research into detransitioners was blocked recently...its odd.

Those figures are based on research in the 50s. More than 90% of people who surgically transition are happy. Again, it’s medically accepted around the world as the right treatment route. Have you thought about this though: imagine transitioning and then still living in a world where people call you “he” and “him”, make fun of how you look, and don’t treat you with dignity. Do you think that might make someone depressed?
Personally, I think that reaction by OTHERS would wear me down - even though I personally had done everythjng I could to be happy. So, as one of the “others”, why can’t we just treat people with respect and stop denigrating them?

This article explains, with sources https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6160626

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4882090/


This is likely a large part of it. A lot of co-morbid mental health issues.

Also suicide rates are actually higher for trans people after transitioning (not right after, but I think it was 5/10 years later..will find the study in a bit) so it does not actually reduce the suicide rate at all. It does short term, proabbly the same was that someone with BDD having plastic surgery makes them feel better for a short period of time.

As for the question in the OP..I really do not know. I do agree life saving treatments should come first tbh but who decides whats life saving? I think its ridiculous that some kids with cancer have to be crowdfunding for treatments whilst boob jobs and such are given out though. I think there needs to be more studies done on transgender people and the medical outcomes of various treatments though, to understand it all better as it does not seem that surrect treatment regimes actually do work. Research into detransitioners was blocked recently...its odd.

Detransitioning's an interesting one, I've looked into that too and it's hard to really find much on it, but from what I've seen there's actually a lot of people who detransition and then later transition back again... de-de-transitioning (I say 'a lot' but the figures for trans people is small to start with never mind detransitioners.) But from individual accounts the reasons for detransitioning seem to be mainly because of difficulties in life after transitioning, relationships with loved ones breaking down, problems within careers, etc etc, rather than actually being because they are no longer trans or incorrectly diagnosed (although that could also be possible for some). So it's like weighing up the struggle of coping with gender dysphoria and presenting as their biological sex, with struggling post-op for whatever reason, but then like I say for a lot of them the dysphoria ends up increasing again after detransitioning and they try again, (and I wonder if these people are still included in figures of detransitioners). And perhaps a part of it could be down to some of them not being fully mentally prepared for such a change and they end up needing more time I don't know. Completely off topic sorry

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Detransitioning's an interesting one, I've looked into that too and it's hard to really find much on it, but from what I've seen there's actually a lot of people who detransition and then later transition back again... de-de-transitioning (I say 'a lot' but the figures for trans people is small to start with never mind detransitioners.) But from individual accounts the reasons for detransitioning seem to be mainly because of difficulties in life after transitioning, relationships with loved ones breaking down, problems within careers, etc etc, rather than actually being because they are no longer trans or incorrectly diagnosed (although that could also be possible for some). So it's like weighing up the struggle of coping with gender dysphoria and presenting as their biological sex, with struggling post-op for whatever reason, but then like I say for a lot of them the dysphoria ends up increasing again after detransitioning and they try again, (and I wonder if these people are still included in figures of detransitioners). And perhaps a part of it could be down to some of them not being fully mentally prepared for such a change and they end up needing more time I don't know. Completely off topic sorry

My advice: talk to someone who’s actually transgender/transsexual. There are lots of studies funded by religious, conservative or radical feminist groups that go on about detransitiing. Actually, it’s very uncommon. But it helps portray people who ate transgender as being simply confused, or mixed up. And puts a wuestion over whether funding surgery is worthwhile. You find what you look for on the internet.

Here’s a link. Sub heafing number 3 Regret is uncommon https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6160626

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Bluelight

My advice: talk to someone who’s actually transgender/transsexual. There are lots of studies funded by religious, conservative or radical feminist groups that go on about detransitiing. Actually, it’s very uncommon. But it helps portray people who ate transgender as being simply confused, or mixed up. And puts a wuestion over whether funding surgery is worthwhile. You find what you look for on the internet.

Research into detransitioners is blocked for some reason

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ersal-research

According to Caspian, the university said: “Engaging in a potentially politically incorrect piece of research carries a risk to the university. Attacks on social media may not be confined to the researcher, but may involve the university

Scared of the social media reaction, and the reaction of rabid transactivists.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7965281.html

Mr Caspian argued the research needed to be done as he had found growing numbers of young people who were regretting having surgery, and he said some were even “traumatised”.

His research proposal was influenced by a conversation with Dr Miroslav Djordjevic of the Belgrade Centre for Genital Reconstructive Surgery in 2014. Mr Djordjevic said he had carried out seven reversals that year, more than ever before.

Could it be that certain people just do not want to acknowledge that there are detransitioners and they are not as rare as unicorns like some would have you believe

Surely ANY research into transgender stuff should be welcomed to understand the whole thing better

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Research into detransitioners is blocked for some reason

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ersal-research



Scared of the social media reaction, and the reaction of rabid transactivists.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7965281.html



Could it be that certain people just do not want to acknowledge that there are detransitioners and they are not as rare as unicorns like some would have you believe

Surely ANY research into transgender stuff should be welcomed to understand the whole thing better

I think it should be the same as IVF treatment and has to be paid for if there are no medical reasons.

India could well afford her costs but used NHS facilities anyway.

Surely medical needs should be addressed before sexual needs, if money is short isn't this something the LGBT could fund for their members (No pun intended) by starting a fund for those who need help.

By relying on a very stretched NHS service, would this be a self help idea to put forward which could benefit all.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I think it should be the same as IVF treatment and has to be paid for if there are no medical reasons.

India could well afford her costs but used NHS facilities anyway.

Surely medical needs should be addressed before sexual needs, if money is short isn't this something the LGBT could fund for their members (No pun intended) by starting a fund for those who need help.

By relying on a very stretched NHS service, would this be a self help idea to put forward which could benefit all.

Totatly agree with IVF should not be funded by the NHS and only plastic surgery after fires,crash .,cancer etc . no nose jobs ,eye lifts, boob reductions ...India stood in the garden talking about the surgeon book of fannys that he chose from ( what a load of BS ) and they fact she took over £14,000 for the NHS which could have saved lives ,when as you say he had a good job and could afford to pay

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I think it should be the same as IVF treatment and has to be paid for if there are no medical reasons.

India could well afford her costs but used NHS facilities anyway.

Surely medical needs should be addressed before sexual needs, if money is short isn't this something the LGBT could fund for their members (No pun intended) by starting a fund for those who need help.

By relying on a very stretched NHS service, would this be a self help idea to put forward which could benefit all.

Few things. Transgender has nothing to do with sexuality, or needs. This was India’s point about being grouped with LGB.

LGBT is not a union. There is no HQ. You do not pay money in every month.

Honestly, I’m shocked at some of the level of understanding here.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Bluelight

My advice: talk to someone who’s actually transgender/transsexual. There are lots of studies funded by religious, conservative or radical feminist groups that go on about detransitiing. Actually, it’s very uncommon. But it helps portray people who ate transgender as being simply confused, or mixed up. And puts a wuestion over whether funding surgery is worthwhile. You find what you look for on the internet.

Here’s a link. Sub heafing number 3 Regret is uncommon https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6160626

I agree with what you're saying, that's what I mean about the figures for it being so small, I wasn't trying to make it sound like something common I just think detransitioning is interesting to try and understand - and I don't doubt a lot of information out there is agenda driven propaganda. A close friend of mine is a transsexual man and I feel like I have a good understanding of what he's been through and continues to go through (although we don't talk about it very often) so I know gender dysphoria isn't about simply being confused or anything like that. Thanks for the link I'll check it out.