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CBB21 Celebrity Big Brother January 2018 [CBB 21] (dubbed Year of the Women). Discuss the housemates and series - which was won by Courtney Act - here.
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Ann is right, medical before anything else | 31 | 72.09% | ||||
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01-02-2018, 12:42 PM | #101 | |||
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India could well afford her costs but used NHS facilities anyway. Surely medical needs should be addressed before sexual needs, if money is short isn't this something the LGBT could fund for their members (No pun intended) by starting a fund for those who need help. By relying on a very stretched NHS service, would this be a self help idea to put forward which could benefit all.
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To be clear, I am not saying SRS should not be an option. I am saying proper research needs to go into the whole thing. And yes, research needs to be done on the growing number of detransitioners too. I also think for the good of transsexual people, they need to be known as transsexual, not transgender. As the transgender group encompasses so many different groups, fetishists and the likes. I don't see why transsexual people should be associated with crossdressers and drag queens and the likes, as they are nothing alike.
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01-02-2018, 12:48 PM | #106 | ||
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What is it then? It’s listed as a medical condition by the World Health Organisation. You need to see pyscotherapists, doctors, surgeons...you go to hospital.
Tell me why gender dysphoria and the resulting treatment is not medical? |
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01-02-2018, 12:51 PM | #108 | ||
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It did save India’s life. |
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01-02-2018, 12:53 PM | #109 | ||
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01-02-2018, 12:54 PM | #110 | ||
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It is a medical treatment, as its done to relieve dysphoria.
The 50% figure is a bit wrong though, 50% of transpeople will not actually kill themselves. They will attempt to though, which is obviously a problem. Its unclear whether this is because of the sex dysphoria or because of underlying mental health issues that seem extremely prevalent though. People took the piss when I mentioned my family member before (in a serious debates thread) as it was a long introduction, so I will instead say cousin. She has had hormones for the past 10 years and has had a boob job (paid for herself, before you go off on one) but has had absolutely huge issues finding a suitable therapist to try and work through her issues as apparently they absolutely have to go down the affirmation route. She wants to come to terms with being male, and while she does want genital surgery, her partner says that...bluntly...she wants a penis to shag as she is not a lesbian. So my cousin is between a rock and a hard place, wanting full SRS but if she gets it she will be single. So has been trying to find a counsellor to help her try and get over the dysphoria. And found it ridiculously hard to do so. She does have one now though, but it took forever. I do not see it the same as gay conversion therapy at all. Gay people are gay. Where male people are male. Female people are female. So basically...gay conversion therapy is trying to get someone to get over what they are. Where therapy to help trans people come to terms with their sex, it trying to help them to come to terms with what they are. So I guess this would be, when equated to gay people, the same as having a counselor to help you accept being gay. Obviously this kind of approach would not work for all trans people, maybe not even many...but the option should be there, and easy to find.
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01-02-2018, 12:54 PM | #111 | ||
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LGBT is not a union. There is no HQ. You do not pay money in every month. Honestly, I’m shocked at some of the level of understanding here. |
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I think my opinion on this is probably that the therapies and hormones and such should be provided on the NHS. But actual SRS should be means tested. If its deemed to be absolutely necessary and the person cannot afford it then yes, NHS. But if they can afford to pay then thats how it should be. That opens the door though to many many issues and a whole other debate though. Should everything on the NHS be means tested? Quite possibly, would ease the pressure on the NHS for sure. Either that, or the government can start funding the NHS properly...which is not likely to happen
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01-02-2018, 01:05 PM | #117 | ||
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So you’re starting point is that dying from a heart condition is worse than dying from gender dysphoria? You are not treating it as the serious situation it is - but on a par with botox or a boob job. It’s not. As the NHS or any medical organisation will tell you.
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01-02-2018, 01:11 PM | #118 | ||
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You love Ann. There is nothing more to say on this matter. And your ridiculous, offensively titled introduction to this thread. Gender Dysphoria IS just as “medical” as cancer or heart treatments, and is not a “fancy.” Don’t forget your copy of the Daily Mail.
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01-02-2018, 01:16 PM | #119 | |||
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There is a woman who has crowd funded for her own medical fees for transitioning and other procedures.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-surgery.html She has over Ł21,000 pounds already, now that's the way forward and I respect that woman for her not using the NHS but doing it herself. So the moral is put your money where your mouth is and cough up. What's not to like?
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So does this mean that you would be happy to give up your sick childs place on the surgical waiting list, so that a transgender person could have there surgery instead? Like I said a limited budget sometimes means making harsh decisions. |
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Of course Ann is right that people who have life threatening illness should come first. While it seems to help in making those with this problem happy, gender reassignment is basically just cosmetic and doesn't in reality 'change sex' so is no more than a band aid. You will not die from gender dysphoria. If you commit suicide, people do that for a variety of reasons.
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