[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I pretty much agree with everything Toy Soldier has very succinctly wrote.

My opinion is that if feminists want more men (and women also) to get board then drop the term ‘feminism’ as it is absolutely 100% anti equality and outdated and make it more inclusive for everyone.Simple ‘equality’ or even ‘equalism’ would help things massively.
TS has already said this but when it’s set up as one team against another and framed as a battle then it’s doomed to failure as it becomes a war in which neither side backs down.
Feminism is divisive and doesn’t work in modern times where equality is supposed to be the thing.
Society is supposed to be trying to get away from division now.

Feminism simply means believing women are equal to men, nothing more, so why on earth is it divisive. It is not a dirty word.

There is a big difference between ‘equality being the thing’ and people actually practising what they preach.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Feminism simply means believing women are equal to men, nothing more, so why on earth is it divisive. It is not a dirty word.

There is a big difference between ‘equality being the thing’ and people actually practising what they preach.

The meaning of a word changes over time; it may have meant simply that once, but it's meaning has become so convoluted and complex that at this point it barely means anything. Even people who claim to subscribe to the same "branch" of feminism can't agree on a definition.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The meaning of a word changes over time; it may have meant simply that once, but it's meaning has become so convoluted and complex that at this point it barely means anything. Even people who claim to subscribe to the same "branch" of feminism can't agree on a definition.

You could say the same about the word Muslim. But I don't know anyone who isn't aware that it's a minority that do the damage, and it's the same with feminists.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

You could say the same about the word Muslim. But I don't know anyone who isn't aware that it's a minority that do the damage, and it's the same with feminists.

It's the same with literally everything because people will be people, a small percentage of football fans give football fans a bad name etc etc

[Ammi]

...I understand what Livia is saying..like with BLM, obviously all lives matter equally but as we know, that’s not what the point and the need is about because black lives haven't felt equality, black lives have suffered suppression and they still strive for equality in many things..and yes, BLM need and appreciate the support of everyone/of white people also but white people cant and shouldn’t aim to suggest an agenda or ‘lead’...all they can do is support....and the same exactly with women and feminism and a man’s support of feminism...it’s actually a percpective I hadn’t considered before in the way Livia is explaining it..