[Livia]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I don't like the word "Feminism" , but I believe in equality for both men &women.

Sadly the word has been twisted and tainted , that's why we now get new words like "feminazi" as there's some people who moan and winge and seem to have a Superiority complex .

You don't fight for equality to then be utterly sexiest and demeaning towards men .And then be hypocritical if it's done back to you .

It's just a word. And it weakens women's fight for equality when we stop talking about the issues and muddy the waters with semantics.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's just a word. And it weakens women's fight for equality when we stop talking about the issues and muddy the waters with semantics.

Exactly, keeps the eye of the ball so to speak

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's just a word. And it weakens women's fight for equality when we stop talking about the issues and muddy the waters with semantics.

I'm all for talking about serious issues and sexism, but that word has been mis used soo many times . And some people take it too far .

I think we've come a long way ,and although sexism & gender inequality is still around it's no where near as bad as it use to be, NOT in this country anyway .

The real problems are other parts of the world where women are still treated like dirt and repressed just because they're female .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm all for talking about serious issues and sexism, but that word has been mis used soo many times . And some people take it too far .

I think we've come a long way ,and although sexism & gender inequality is still around it's no where near as bad as it use to be, NOT in this country anyway .

The real problems are other parts of the world where women are still treated like dirt and repressed just because they're female .

Many women in this country are treat like dirt and repressed because they are female tbh. Yes its much worse in many other countries, but I am kind of sick of this assumption that because we have laws that are equal in this country now that women have it just fine and dandy. They don't.

No, its not quite as bad as it used to be. But its not good, nor anywhere NEAR equal either.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Many women in this country are treat like dirt and repressed because they are female tbh. Yes its much worse in many other countries, but I am kind of sick of this assumption that because we have laws that are equal in this country now that women have it just fine and dandy. They don't.

No, its not quite as bad as it used to be. But its not good, nor anywhere NEAR equal either.

I never said women have it "fine & dandy" here, but men get treated like dirt as well .
I'm just saying that some (not all ) feminists have a weird superiority complex and they seem to want special treatment . And they treat men exactly how they themselves WOULDN'T want to be treated .

Listen I support fighting against sexism but only when it actually exists.

[Ashsleigh]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I never said women have it "fine & dandy" here, but men get treated like dirt as well .
I'm just saying that some (not all ) feminists have a weird superiority complex and they seem to want special treatment . And they treat men exactly how they themselves WOULDN'T want to be treated .

Listen I support fighting against sexism but only when it actually exists.

Yeah, this argument gets used quite a bit during discussions regarding whether or not feminism has gone too far. The simple answer is that they're not feminists. Special treatment is not what feminism is about at all. The sooner we can all accept that, the sooner we can all stop assuming that actual feminists are the same as them, and conjuring up criticisms that do not apply to them.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Yeah, this argument gets used quite a bit during discussions regarding whether or not feminism has gone too far. The simple answer is that they're not feminists. Special treatment is not what feminism is about at all. The sooner we can all accept that, the sooner we can all stop assuming that actual feminists are the same as them, and conjuring up criticisms that do not apply to them.

I know that's why they're called "feminazi's" because they abuse the true meaning of feminism. I still don't like the word feminism but that's my preference.

However I'm a woman that supports equal rights for both genders absolutely. And I hear stories of women feeling pressured for example to wear high heels in the work place , things like that shock and get me angry .

If I was in that situation I'd tell the person to F off if they were making it mandatory to wear high heels etc then I'd quit the job and complain, it's 21st century not the 1950's with pointy bra's .

By all means sensible shoes ,and appropriate clothing. But there's some women that can't wear heels for medical reasons .

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I know that's why they're called "feminazi's" because they abuse the true meaning of feminism. I still don't like the word feminism but that's my preference.

However I'm a woman that supports equal rights for both genders absolutely. And I hear stories of women feeling pressured for example to wear high heels in the work place , things like that shock and get me angry .

If I was in that situation I'd tell the person to F off if they were making it mandatory to wear high heels etc then I'd quit the job and complain, it's 21st century not the 1950's with pointy bra's .

By all means sensible shoes ,and appropriate clothing. But there's some women that can't wear heels for medical reasons .

**** medical reasons, they're really uncomfortable, that should be enough reason imo!

Totally offtopic, I always assumed you were male sorry

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Many women in this country are treat like dirt and repressed because they are female tbh. Yes its much worse in many other countries, but I am kind of sick of this assumption that because we have laws that are equal in this country now that women have it just fine and dandy. They don't.

No, its not quite as bad as it used to be. But its not good, nor anywhere NEAR equal either.

Both genders are treated poorly
All races are treated poorly
Gay people are treated poorly for being gay and in the flip side straight people are treated poorly for being straight

The merit for movements like this back when the treatment of woman was appalling and they outright didn’t have rights was fine, but because of social media the movement has lost its focus and has become rather obsolete. I had feminism shoved down my throat purely because am a woman multiple times and they get offended when I say I’m not. They try to make out to other woman that they’re victims and that they should feel bad, it’s like an oppression olympics.

The fact is, the treatment of women in the first world is far from perfect, sure, but it’s so much better than it’s ever been, and in certain both real life and online circles and in certain rights, woman now have the upper hand. Weve moved past the point where we need mass protests and movements and such for gender equality because it’s regressive considering the point we are in society.

Why can’t we all just label ourselves as good human beings and do our part in making sure EVERYONE has rights and an equal playing field regardless of colour or sexuality or gender, not just certain people? Why do we feel the need to wear labels like feminism on our shirts and claim ‘I’m for equality if ur not a feminist ur not pro equality’? It’s so regressive it literally achieves nothing and it’s created a generation of people with victim complexes

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marches

Both genders are treated poorly
All races are treated poorly
Gay people are treated poorly for being gay and in the flip side straight people are treated poorly for being straight

The merit for movements like this back when the treatment of woman was appalling and they outright didn’t have rights was fine, but because of social media the movement has lost its focus and has become rather obsolete. I had feminism shoved down my throat purely because am a woman multiple times and they get offended when I say I’m not. They try to make out to other woman that they’re victims and that they should feel bad, it’s like an oppression olympics.

The fact is, the treatment of women in the first world is far from perfect, sure, but it’s so much better than it’s ever been, and in certain both real life and online circles and in certain rights, woman now have the upper hand. Weve moved past the point where we need mass protests and movements and such for gender equality because it’s regressive considering the point we are in society.

Why can’t we all just label ourselves as good human beings and do our part in making sure EVERYONE has rights and an equal playing field regardless of colour or sexuality or gender, not just certain people? Why do we feel the need to wear labels like feminism on our shirts and claim ‘I’m for equality if ur not a feminist ur not pro equality’? It’s so regressive it literally achieves nothing and it’s created a generation of people with victim complexes

How are straight people treated poorly for being straight? that's absolutely not true

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How are straight people treated poorly for being straight? that's absolutely not true

Some people like to throw around reverse labels to a crazy extent.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm all for talking about serious issues and sexism, but that word has been mis used soo many times . And some people take it too far .

I think we've come a long way ,and although sexism & gender inequality is still around it's no where near as bad as it use to be, NOT in this country anyway .

The real problems are other parts of the world where women are still treated like dirt and repressed just because they're female .

Yes but we don't live in that side of the world. I think women on that side of the world need to lead that fight as it involves them and change should come from themselves pushing forward. If people stopped wanting change just because somewhere else someone has it worse nothing would ever be done