[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

By that logic there would never be any groups at all because everyone s different

Men are all different and judge each other. Shhhhhhhh.... keep it to yourself!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Men are all different and judge each other. Shhhhhhhh.... keep it to yourself!

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's just a word. And it weakens women's fight for equality when we stop talking about the issues and muddy the waters with semantics.

I'm all for talking about serious issues and sexism, but that word has been mis used soo many times . And some people take it too far .

I think we've come a long way ,and although sexism & gender inequality is still around it's no where near as bad as it use to be, NOT in this country anyway .

The real problems are other parts of the world where women are still treated like dirt and repressed just because they're female .

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

By that logic there would never be any groups at all because everyone s different

Well shopping is the exception

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Well shopping is the exception

I have no idea what this means? Are you saying all women love shopping? Because I hate it

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

Men are all different and judge each other. Shhhhhhhh.... keep it to yourself!

This is what happens when women get together, they start picking on men, were is the truth when you need him,lol

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm all for talking about serious issues and sexism, but that word has been mis used soo many times . And some people take it too far .

I think we've come a long way ,and although sexism & gender inequality is still around it's no where near as bad as it use to be, NOT in this country anyway .

The real problems are other parts of the world where women are still treated like dirt and repressed just because they're female .

Many women in this country are treat like dirt and repressed because they are female tbh. Yes its much worse in many other countries, but I am kind of sick of this assumption that because we have laws that are equal in this country now that women have it just fine and dandy. They don't.

No, its not quite as bad as it used to be. But its not good, nor anywhere NEAR equal either.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm all for talking about serious issues and sexism, but that word has been mis used soo many times . And some people take it too far .

I think we've come a long way ,and although sexism & gender inequality is still around it's no where near as bad as it use to be, NOT in this country anyway .

The real problems are other parts of the world where women are still treated like dirt and repressed just because they're female .

Yes but we don't live in that side of the world. I think women on that side of the world need to lead that fight as it involves them and change should come from themselves pushing forward. If people stopped wanting change just because somewhere else someone has it worse nothing would ever be done

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have no idea what this means? Are you saying all women love shopping? Because I hate it

You have let the women down in this thread niamh

[bots]

This group thing always causes a problem once the initial impact has been made, with opinions differing between moderates an extremists. It means basically that progress has been made, but maybe not enough yet for some at one end of the scale to it will never be enough at the other end of the scale

[Livia]

Women all over the world are suffering, but while people are saying that we're nearly there in this country, we're about to take a HUGE step backwards by opening up women only safe spaces to anyone with a penis who gets up that morning and identifies as a women. It's being sneaked through as law while we're arguing about whether the word feminism is acceptable. If you don't know about this issue, male or female, I suggest you go and look at it. And thank you Vicky, without you I would never have known about it.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Many women in this country are treat like dirt and repressed because they are female tbh. Yes its much worse in many other countries, but I am kind of sick of this assumption that because we have laws that are equal in this country now that women have it just fine and dandy. They don't.

No, its not quite as bad as it used to be. But its not good, nor anywhere NEAR equal either.

I never said women have it "fine & dandy" here, but men get treated like dirt as well .
I'm just saying that some (not all ) feminists have a weird superiority complex and they seem to want special treatment . And they treat men exactly how they themselves WOULDN'T want to be treated .

Listen I support fighting against sexism but only when it actually exists.

[Livia]

I would like to say something off-topic, bear with me mods.

I've so enjoyed taking part in this thread. I've not seen anyone melt down... it's been quite like old times.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Women all over the world are suffering, but while people are saying that we're nearly there in this country, we're about to take a HUGE step backwards by opening up women only safe spaces to anyone with a penis who gets up that morning and identifies as a women. It's being sneaked through as law while we're arguing about whether the word feminism is acceptable. If you don't know about this issue, male or female, I suggest you go and look at it. And thank you Vicky, without you I would never have known about it.

Yeah, that is absolutely appalling

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I would like to say something off-topic, bear with me mods.

I've so enjoyed taking part in this thread. I've not seen anyone melt down... it's been quite like old times.

Yes it's been a very dignified discussion tbf

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

Women all over the world are suffering, but while people are saying that we're nearly there in this country, we're about to take a HUGE step backwards by opening up women only safe spaces to anyone with a penis who gets up that morning and identifies as a women. It's being sneaked through as law while we're arguing about whether the word feminism is acceptable. If you don't know about this issue, male or female, I suggest you go and look at it. And thank you Vicky, without you I would never have known about it.

This is both unbelievably serious and beyond any sane persons comprehension at the same time. How we have come to the point where this is being considered is beyond me.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Women all over the world are suffering, but while people are saying that we're nearly there in this country, we're about to take a HUGE step backwards by opening up women only safe spaces to anyone with a penis who gets up that morning and identifies as a women. It's being sneaked through as law while we're arguing about whether the word feminism is acceptable. If you don't know about this issue, male or female, I suggest you go and look at it. And thank you Vicky, without you I would never have known about it.

Indeed. Feminism is needed now more than ever. Everything feminists have fought for for women for the past hundred years or so is under threat right now. Its not scaremongering, its true. Even the word woman is under attack ffs. The Tories appear to be backtracking on this absolutely ridiculous 'self identification' law that they were going to push through by stealth, but Labour are still planning on it, and have said so. Its absolutely mental. Its scary. And its stupid. But its true.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This is both unbelievably serious and beyond any sane persons comprehension at the same time. How we have come to the point where this is being considered is beyond me.

The thing is no one seems to know about it like Livia pointed out, it's all very sneaky. Only for Vicky I wouldn't be aware of half of this stuff

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This is both unbelievably serious and beyond any sane persons comprehension at the same time. How we have come to the point where this is being considered is beyond me.

Yes, many people when told about this nonense assume it is a joke as surely...noone is that stupid. But they are. It seems utterly unbelievable, but its really happening. Businesses are already acting as though self identification is law, allowing people to 'self declare' their sex..which means you can go from male to female day to day (or hour to hour) as you please. Fully intact men with penises are fighting for the right to use womens changing rooms (and winning too...as, its only women who will be disadvantaged). It does not really happen the other way around, but I am sure men do not want women in their changing rooms either!


I know it sounds ****ing mental.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, that is absolutely appalling

It IS! I was shocked... and yet people seem to be treating it with complete apathy!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The thing is no one seems to know about it like Livia pointed out, it's all very sneaky. Only for Vicky I wouldn't be aware of half of this stuff

The womens aid thing was talked about on good morning britain this morning. With Piers Morgan on womens side. Bit oif an alternate universe

Apparently on Nick Ferraris show too..though I don;t know who he is. People are amazed he was on womens side too though, so I assume he is quite sexist generally

It is coming into mainstream, slowly, but its happening now. It has to, given how many people it will actually affect. And how many people are now standing up to say no. Geneally once someone becomes fully aware of quite whats happening, they will say no. Tories have realised this, so have backed off a bit. Labour have realised it, and do not care. They are actually going to be taken to court soon for this

[Vicky.]

I could rant all day about this, but will leave the thread for a bit else I will fill it up But yeah, sex is meaningless and not actually a real thing and places segregated by sex should not be segregated by sex. And males are actually female (and vice versa) simply on their say so.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I could rant all day about this, but will leave the thread for a bit else I will fill it up But yeah, sex is meaningless and not actually a real thing and places segregated by sex should not be segregated by sex.

I think you should maybe consider starting a thread, Vicky. You know so much about it and it's so important that people know about it.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think you should maybe consider starting a thread, Vicky. You know so much about it and it's so important that people know about it.

I did start one about Labour electing a 19 year old male as their womans officer where I went into a lot of this. Have started a few on this issue actually. I started a thread about the serious threats I had recieved for donating to a fundraiser that was against self ID...my issue at the moment with this stuff (and why I tend to keep talk to PM now..though do sometimes have outbursts on the main board) is that they are already combing the net for social media accounts to link. I have had to delete a bunch of older posts incase they managed to link my account here to the other ones they have a spreadsheet on..there are entire groups of people trying to dox women who speak out about this, and unfortunately I am one of the ones on 'the list'. As I said I made a thread about that, but thought against it and deleted it as it may help them link this account to the others they have on their spreadsheet. So I need to try and control myself a bit when ranting about this, just incase. I THINK I have deleted all posts that mention where I actually live or anything that would make me identifiable...but I am not totally sure (as I cannot realistically go back over 55k posts) so I am a bit worried that I haven't. I have no issue talking about it. I do have an issue when they may take it a little further than the rape/death threats I have already recieved and actually turn up at my house or something :S If I didn't have the kids, this would not bother me, but I have to think about their safety too and these nutter are..well..extremist nutters.

I will think about it. Issue is, most papers and such are not reporting on it, the times does regular coverage but its paywalled. Daily mail does coverage sometimes but its..the daily mail and is often from an actual transphobic angle rather than pro-womens rights angle. Share tokens on the times only last for so long, and I don't think I am allowed to paste the entire article. And with no sources, I will be accused of making it up Hell even with sources sometimes I am accused of making it up

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I never said women have it "fine & dandy" here, but men get treated like dirt as well .
I'm just saying that some (not all ) feminists have a weird superiority complex and they seem to want special treatment . And they treat men exactly how they themselves WOULDN'T want to be treated .

Listen I support fighting against sexism but only when it actually exists.

Yeah, this argument gets used quite a bit during discussions regarding whether or not feminism has gone too far. The simple answer is that they're not feminists. Special treatment is not what feminism is about at all. The sooner we can all accept that, the sooner we can all stop assuming that actual feminists are the same as them, and conjuring up criticisms that do not apply to them.