[Marches]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And yes, people are treat poorly for a variety of reasons. But there is systematic sexism against women, like there is systematic racism against POC, and there is systematic homophobia against gay people. Single people are single people and are not responsible for the overwhelming sexism, racism and homophobia thats rampant in society, unless they themselves are sexist, racist, homophobic (and a lot of people are without realising it too..unconcious bias). But denying that disadvantaged groups are disadvantaged really does noone any favours.

Everyone experiences systematic sexism to an extent. I could outline both sides but I think they should be pretty obvious

Also in response to ur post above, divorse settlements child custody battles access to domestic abuse shelters favoured in sexual abuse cases (in a lot men are often guilty until proven innocent)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Marches

Everyone experiences systematic sexism to an extent. I could outline both sides but I think they should be pretty obvious

Also in response to ur post above, divorse settlements child custody battles access to domestic abuse shelters favoured in sexual abuse cases (in a lot men are often guilty until proven innocent)

Divorce settlements are usually because of child custody issues (ie whichever parent has custody of children will get the house, speaking broadly) which I will move onto in a sec

Child custody, again is not because of sex, its down to who, before the split, did the majority of childcare. Its to make sure the childrens lives are disrupted as little as possible. If more men did the lionshare of child related things, then they would win more custody battles. Luckily, with paternity leave and such being increased and more and more families being 'less traditional' (ie woman works, father is in the house) this will even out. But again, not disadvantaged due to sex. If me and my husband split tomorrow, he would 100% 'get the kids' if we ended up going through the courts.

Domestic abuse shelters yes. But this is because the majority of people needing shelters are women. There should be more for men of course but its a supply and demand thing tbh. I don't want to be hoping for more male victims of serious DV so that refuges are 50/50 tbh

Sexual abuse cases, wow. Near all sexual abuse is committed by men. And most get off with it. So not sure that proves your point at all. I completely disagree with guilty until proven innocent. But this very very rarely happens.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Divorce settlements are usually because of child custody issues (ie whichever parent has custody of children will get the house, speaking broadly) which I will move onto in a sec

Child custody, again is not because of sex, its down to who, before the split, did the majority of childcare. Its to make sure the childrens lives are disrupted as little as possible. If more men did the lionshare of child related things, then they would win more custody battles. Luckily, with paternity leave and such being increased and more and more families being 'less traditional' (ie woman works, father is in the house) this will even out. But again, not disadvantaged due to sex. If me and my husband split tomorrow, he would 100% 'get the kids' if we ended up going through the courts.

Domestic abuse shelters yes. But this is because the majority of people needing shelters are women. There should be more for men of course but its a supply and demand thing tbh. I don't want to be hoping for more male victims of serious DV so that refuges are 50/50 tbh

Sexual abuse cases, wow. Near all sexual abuse is committed by men. And most get off with it. So not sure that proves your point at all. I completely disagree with guilty until proven innocent. But this very very rarely happens.

Shelters for battered women is always brought into the discussion, as is the fact that more is spent on breast cancer than on prostate cancer. The simple fact is that women fundraise for these causes. Yes a certain amount of funding is available... but I've been to countless dinners, bought loads of draw tickets etc., raising money for victims of domestic abuse, Breast Cancer Care... I drove a bloody tractor covered in pink bows a couple of years ago to raise money for breast cancer. I've never once been approached to contribute to any kind of fundraising that's been organised by men, for men.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

Shelters for battered women is always brought into the discussion, as is the fact that more is spent on breast cancer than on prostate cancer. The simple fact is that women fundraise for these causes. Yes a certain amount of funding is available... but I've been to countless dinners, bought loads of draw tickets etc., raising money for victims of domestic abuse, Breast Cancer Care... I drove a bloody tractor covered in pink bows a couple of years ago to raise money for breast cancer. I've never once been approached to contribute to any kind of fundraising that's been organised by men, for men.

Happy to pass the tin round to collect for my visit to Hooters

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Happy to pass the tin round to collect for my visit to Hooters

The cheque is in the post, don't forget to tip your waitress.