[Vicky.]

Had to post this. Is in relation to the video obviously.

Is it normal to look at a webpage full of women who have been killed by men, and feel sorry for men? I know that would not be my reaction

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Had to post this. Is in relation to the video obviously.

Is it normal to look at a webpage full of women who have been killed by men, and feel sorry for men? I know that would not be my reaction

What a disaster as a spokesperson she is. If I hear her sigh and shout "I'm a REAL WOMAN" again, I will throw something at my telly. She has no interest in women at all.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Had to post this. Is in relation to the video obviously.

Is it normal to look at a webpage full of women who have been killed by men, and feel sorry for men? I know that would not be my reaction

India Willoughby. Wants to be a woman, thinks like a man. Absolutely no clue whatsoever about women's issues and more interested in nail polish than the value of women's lives.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

India Willoughby. Wants to be a woman, thinks like a man. Absolutely no clue whatsoever about women's issues and more interested in nail polish than the value of women's lives.

This is why I wonder about having been born with "a womans brain" in cases like India, to me her idea of what a woman is, is very much how a man would describe what a woman is, wears heels and dresses, like's nail polish and shopping etc

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This is why I wonder about having been born with "a womans brain" in cases like India, to me her idea of what a woman is, is very much how a man would describe what a woman is, wears heels and dresses, like's nail polish and shopping etc

Thats all India has to go on though tbf She can hardly grow up as an actual woman or anything..or ever actually know how a woman 'feels', so all she has is a mans idea of what a woman should be.

[Jamie89]

I think trans women who are the victims of abuse should be allowed refuge, we should aim to protect all people in genuine need. And I think that's currently what happens. The problems seem to be with the potential new laws of self-identification and the process being made easier? I don't know a lot about them and need to look more into it tbh, but from what I've heard, I think there's a danger here to both women and transwomen. It seems like these laws could blur the lines in terms of public perception between transwomen and predatory men who claim to be trans, and in turn is likely to cause an even bigger divide between women and trans women as well as make certain situations more difficult for both, and so I'm wondering who these laws actually aim to benefit? Surely the current way of being able to asses a persons history of transexualism to determine genuine cases makes the most sense (and that would no longer factor into things with the new proposed way of self-id as far as I understand it but I could be wrong I'm not 100% sure on this), and with genuine cases of transwomen being allowed refuge I don't believe there is a danger to women in that.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This is why I wonder about having been born with "a womans brain" in cases like India, to me her idea of what a woman is, is very much how a man would describe what a woman is, wears heels and dresses, like's nail polish and shopping etc

To be fair most transpeople undergo SRS and dress a certain way, not because they feel it's necessary do that to be a woman, but because they feel it's necessary to do that in order to be treated as a woman by the rest of society, and often it's something almost subconscious/ingrained, from a young age and being aware of the different social constructs surrounding gender and seeing boys/girls men/women being treated differently and in their minds these facades can become a fixation almost, in that they are things that can be changed and in doing so they will be more likely to be treated as the sex that they feel their biology should be. I mean you're not really wrong about it being what someone else would describe as what a woman looks like, but it's much deeper than just thinking 'a girl wears heels so if I wear heels I'll be a girl', as they already believe they are the opposite gender, they just want to be recognised by others as such, and in their minds they're not going to be unless they do those things, so I think is understandable.