[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Depends what you mean by seduce, tbh. Flirting and asking someone out is fine. 'Seducing' by randomly grabbing their tit or telling them you would 'smash their backdoors in' whilst you have them cornered and unable to back away or other such rubbish...not fine.

So much gross behaviour is normalized. It can be a bit of a shock to actually think back over it. Throughout my adult life I have had perverts randomly touching me intimately a LOT of times, and I am pretty average looking too so I dread to think what goodlooking people get.

I would obviously not report stuff such as a guy rubbing his hardon on me 15 years back, but this does not mean I was any less sexually assaulted He could argue that it was a seduction technique too..I guess. And no doubt would, while people make excuses for such behaviour and say its nothing...and that people talking about stuff like this makes 'genuine' victims be taken less seriously, or whatever.

Ok maybe i didn't make myself clear enough Vicky , by seduce i meant for e.g if you're in a bar and a random guy asks if you want to sleep with him or he uses a dirty chat up line or something .
Plenty of women who aren't interested would either laugh out of disbelief or as a defence mechanism and walk away from him , or would tell him "in your dreams" kind of style and tell him to F OFF basically .

I think we all know if ANYONE randomly grabs a stranger sexually /inappropriately without their permission out the blue then it's sexual assault/harassment .
Looks have nothing to do with it , alcohol can play a part in it or the person might just be an arrogant predator who thinks he/ she can have anyone they want .

What you experienced sounds vulgar and i would 100 % understand that being reported or the guy getting slapped across the face .
Anything that physical and uncomfortable is wrong.


But the problem we have today is if a guy said something rude to any of us years ago or as a joke , people now pipe up and say we were sexually harassed . When really we just ignored it or carried on with our lives .
I feel like it's diluting genuine abuse and harassment that probably goes unreported . I know abuse still get's reported though .

A man forcing himself on you or grabbing you isn't the same as asking you back to his hotel room and you declining and him walking away it just isn't the same .