[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Public transport in Scotland is very good. Every time I get a train I am impressed with how clean and punctual it is

It's privatised tho! And yes to be fair, local trains in Scotland are much better than England... which are wildly inconsistent even on the same journey. Sometimes it'll be a "normal" train like you'd get in Scotland, other times I swear they practically have wooden seats, and are absolutely covered top to bottom in graffiti and chewing gum .

The main problem though is the price. For me + the fam to go to Glasgow is £35 return on the train, and that's from a station 8 miles away... with a bus service that only runs every 2 hours... so we would have to drive to the station anyway or get a taxi costing another £10. When we can easily get to Glasgow and back on £20 petrol . Probably less. Is a public transport system really effective when driving is ALWAYS both more convenient... and cheaper? Local bus is even more ridiculous: £16 return for the 4 of us to get to town and back! It's about £3 in petrol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's privatised tho! And yes to be fair, local trains in Scotland are much better than England... which are wildly inconsistent even on the same journey. Sometimes it'll be a "normal" train like you'd get in Scotland, other times I swear they practically have wooden seats, and are absolutely covered top to bottom in graffiti and chewing gum .

The main problem though is the price. For me + the fam to go to Glasgow is £35 return on the train, and that's from a station 8 miles away... with a bus service that only runs every 2 hours... so we would have to drive to the station anyway or get a taxi costing another £10. When we can easily get to Glasgow and back on £20 petrol . Probably less. Is a public transport system really effective when driving is ALWAYS both more convenient... and cheaper? Local bus is even more ridiculous: £16 return for the 4 of us to get to town and back! It's about £3 in petrol

me and smallest boy LT can get to glasgow and back for £13 with a railcard and the underground is cheap as chips

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

me and smallest boy LT can get to glasgow and back for £13 with a railcard and the underground is cheap as chips

The underground reminds me of the first time I went to University (I was at Glasgow Uni for 5 months when I was 18, in the midst of my parents separating and my mum descending into alcoholism) so I get triggered . The smell of it makes me feel like a lost little boy! And that waft of warm air from the tunnel as the train is arriving. Actual PTSD or something .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The underground reminds me of the first time I went to University (I was at Glasgow Uni for 5 months when I was 18, in the midst of my parents separating and my mum descending into alcoholism) so I get triggered . The smell of it makes me feel like a lost little boy! And that waft of warm air from the tunnel as the train is arriving. Actual PTSD or something .

I only ever go on the clockwork orange to Ibrox and have been going on it since it was moderinsed in 1980 or so. All I associate it with is the smell of alcohol and people banging on the roof of a packed cab singing "wur up tae oor knees in Fenian blood, surrender or yool die"

so i guess its up to its knees rather than on them