[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But... You have shut me down with double standards.

In the posts asking me to expand my view you're telling me "Be positive or your dictating to women" "Men have valid opinions on female issues as long as it's positive". Basically an agree with me or shut up.

I like you Livia and enjoy your posts. This isn't personal.

And that's one of the reasons I like you Marshy.

I'm sorry if I've shut you down, that wasn't my intention. But misogyny is a crime and I am not a cis woman x

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I see where you're coming from when you say that it isn't just a womens issue because technically speaking of course it is not. I think the problem is though (and why women are being most vocal/resistant to some of the issues raised in that other thread) it just won't effect men in any real way where as it will women. That's why it feels like men are less understanding of where we're coming from because yes it will effect you to a point but you seem to not really care about concerns we have.

A fair point well made.

I don't agree a word will make anymore difference than every other sexual/gender identifier but I respect your fears.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That has been your stance in every thread that I have seen you in and is exactly the reason why we have clashed because I have taken issue with your attitude that anyone, especially women it seemed, would be talked down to and ridiculed in an attempt to dismiss their opinions and shut them up.

Either you don’t know how you come across or or it is intentional - I know which I think it is.

Apart from this thread, the trans one is the only other thread I've communicated with you about female related discussion so, don't pretend to be familiar with me. You're not.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

And that's one of the reasons I like you Marshy.

I'm sorry if I've shut you down, that wasn't my intention. But misogyny is a crime and I am not a cis woman x

I agree most, if not all, of the acts listed jn this law are criminal. I just feel labelling them all as misogynistic hate crimes kind of walks a fine line.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

A fair point well made.

I don't agree a word will make anymore difference than every other sexual/gender identifier but I respect your fears.

[kirklancaster]

I DETEST that word 'cis' - or whatever it is.

Cystitis - (WC) Cisterns - Cystic Fibrosis - Cissy - Syphilis - the word has no positive connotations and needs to go back to wherever it came from.

This ever-increasing need by some to 'Label' and 'Name' every single thing under the sun is banal - in my opinion.

[Marsh.]

And I will apologise to Niamh and Livia if I have at all come across aggressive or rude. I suppose the way this thread started and the sour tone stuck throughout. Maybe I got a little defensive.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And I will apologise to Niamh and Livia if I have at all come across aggressive or rude. I suppose the way this thread started and the sour tone stuck throughout. Maybe I got a little defensive.

OMG i am SHOOK, i like this sweet side of you Marsh

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

OMG i am SHOOK, i like this sweet side of you Marsh

I'm always sweet.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And I will apologise to Niamh and Livia if I have at all come across aggressive or rude. I suppose the way this thread started and the sour tone stuck throughout. Maybe I got a little defensive.

No worries, I mean it's good subject, I hate when we have to close or delete stuff because we can't all just talk about the actual topic. This one in particular seems to get very emotive lately though (and I know I've kind of took it offtopic a bit as well, sorry about that but atleast we kind of understand where we're all coming from a bit more)

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And I will apologise to Niamh and Livia if I have at all come across aggressive or rude. I suppose the way this thread started and the sour tone stuck throughout. Maybe I got a little defensive.

You aren’t the only one who gets a little defensive when they feel under attack though. And the reasons why I and others have also felt defensive are evident in the previous thread and are reflected in your most recent comment implying it is all really down to me and nothing to do with you.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No worries, I mean it's good subject, I hate when we have to close or delete stuff because we can't all just talk about the actual topic. This one in particular seems to get very emotive lately though (and I know I've kind of took it offtopic a bit as well, sorry about that but atleast we kind of understand where we're all coming from a bit more)

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No I really didnt.

All of your personal posts attacking me were deleted this morning so pack it in, eh?

I assume your personal attacking posts to me were too - if not I would want to know why.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

A fair point well made.

I don't agree a word will make anymore difference than every other sexual/gender identifier but I respect your fears.

For me it's not the word really, the word only annoys me because as I said before the only proper times I've ever seen it used has been negative and always directed at women as kind of insult. I've never seen it directed at men in that way. If I had actually seen it used in a more descriptor type way and not in the negative way maybe It wouldn't bother me at all, i'm not sure but either way it's just tainted for me now

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I DETEST that word 'cis' - or whatever it is.

Cystitis - (WC) Cisterns - Cystic Fibrosis - Cissy - Syphilis - the word has no positive connotations and needs to go back to wherever it came from.

This ever-increasing need by some to 'Label' and 'Name' every single thing under the sun is banal - in my opinion.

Cisterns and syphillis - Oh Kirk - thanks that gave me a good laugh.

On a more serious note - I agree completely. Good post btw.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

For me it's not the word really, the word only annoys me because as I said before the only proper times I've ever seen it used has been negative and always directed at women as kind of insult. I've never seen it directed at men in that way. If I had actually seen it used in a more descriptor type way and not in the negative way maybe It wouldn't bother me at all, i'm not sure but either way it's just tainted for me now

90% of the times I've heard it used in conversation has been on this forum from people like Jack or something tbh. The rest if the time has been people using it differentiate from a transperson.

I can well imagine it sullying your view of it tbf. I suppose like slang and regional dialect, people take offence at all kinds of daft words or things.

Reminds me of my nan always thinking my cousin was criticising her by saying "sick". He is a Scouser but that didn't stop her clicking her tongue every time he said it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I DETEST that word 'cis' - or whatever it is.

Cystitis - (WC) Cisterns - Cystic Fibrosis - Cissy - Syphilis - the word has no positive connotations and needs to go back to wherever it came from.

This ever-increasing need by some to 'Label' and 'Name' every single thing under the sun is banal - in my opinion.

We need to name things in order to communicate with one another?

But now this is cis thread part 2 and I blame Niamh.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

We need to name things in order to communicate with one another?

But now this is cis thread part 2 and I blame Niamh.

Sorry

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you think if women were bigger and generally stronger than men this situation would be reversed?

Id be doing the dishes a lot more, thats for sure.

[user104658]

I've said before that I hate the word "cis", even though I do think there should be -A- word. Just not "cis". I have multiple reasons for that.

1) The etymology is trash. It's from a chemistry term and I can only guess that whoever thought to use it in the context of gender thought they were being really clever... but it's that sort of "omg so clever guys look what I've come up with!!" that isn't actually very clever and is a bit flimsy.

2) It's not a term that originated in actual biological science or academic psychology. It's a populist "buzz term" that sort of sprung up from the LGBT+ subculture and is trying to worm its way in as the accepted official term. I personally want a proper terminology to use, from an actual source within psychological gender theory... not a word that someone came up with in their bedroom and spread online.

3) It just is a stupid sounding word. Come on. It is.

4) It makes me think of "cif"



And that ****ing annoys me anyway because it's called Jif! JIF!!

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I DETEST that word 'cis' - or whatever it is.

Cystitis - (WC) Cisterns - Cystic Fibrosis - Cissy - Syphilis

Syphilis doesn't have "sis" in it Kirk... wtf...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I've said before that I hate the word "cis", even though I do think there should be -A- word. Just not "cis". I have multiple reasons for that.

1) The etymology is trash. It's from a chemistry term and I can only guess that whoever thought to use it in the context of gender thought they were being really clever... but it's that sort of "omg so clever guys look what I've come up with!!" that isn't actually very clever and is a bit flimsy.

2) It's not a term that originated in actual biological science or academic psychology. It's a populist "buzz term" that sort of sprung up from the LGBT+ subculture and is trying to worm its way in as the accepted official term. I personally want a proper terminology to use, from an actual source within psychological gender theory... not a word that someone came up with in their bedroom and spread online.

3) It just is a stupid sounding word. Come on. It is.

4) It makes me think of "cif"



And that ****ing annoys me anyway because it's called Jif! JIF!!





Syphilis doesn't have "sis" in it Kirk... wtf...

and this is probably why the only times I ever heard it used before(other than on TiBB) was through tweets and other such platforms where people were using it to insult other people

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I've said before that I hate the word "cis", even though I do think there should be -A- word. Just not "cis". I have multiple reasons for that.

1) The etymology is trash. It's from a chemistry term and I can only guess that whoever thought to use it in the context of gender thought they were being really clever... but it's that sort of "omg so clever guys look what I've come up with!!" that isn't actually very clever and is a bit flimsy.

2) It's not a term that originated in actual biological science or academic psychology. It's a populist "buzz term" that sort of sprung up from the LGBT+ subculture and is trying to worm its way in as the accepted official term. I personally want a proper terminology to use, from an actual source within psychological gender theory... not a word that someone came up with in their bedroom and spread online.

3) It just is a stupid sounding word. Come on. It is.

4) It makes me think of "cif"



And that ****ing annoys me anyway because it's called Jif! JIF!!





Syphilis doesn't have "sis" in it Kirk... wtf...

Here, here - if there has to be a word it has to be a proper word. They can stick ‘cis’ where the sun don’t shine!

[Nicky91]

don't get me wrong or if it sounds nasty or rude, but serious debates well you usually have heated conversations in debates anyway, especially when it's about something what hits you emotionally

[Vicky.]

Biological works just fine for me tbh. You have biological women, transwomen, biological men and trans men.

Though tbh, the only way to actually be a man, rather than a transman, or a woman rather than a transwoman is biologically.

Cis is almost always used in a sneery/negative way. It also assumes that you identify with all of the stereotypes forced onto you because of your sex. Plus, I have been told many times that I am 'just cis' when this is not actually the case at all given I do not have a 'gender' at all and do not follow that religious type thinking of gendered souls and whatnot. But when I state I am not actually cis, I am told I am wrong

[montblanc]

sis