[DemolitionRed]

There are more Jews in the Labour Party than in the Conservative party. The only difference between them is, the Conservative party don't have any anti-Zionist members.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK MTVN I have read your dossier thing and have done a pretty quick about turn on this topic

Just been reading Rod Liddles piece in the Sunday times too, which I thought might fit here (with sharetoken as times is paywalled)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...18f22783d11523

I don't tend to agree with Liddle on much at all. But I do think he has this pretty spot on.

'Corbyn and the Momentum monkeys will undoubtedly argue that this is an anti-Zionist stance, not anti-semitic, per se. But then these lefties'

I stopped reading here... If the times can't remain respectful of the opposition then how can they crow of others disrespect?

They are also a mahoosive part of the establishment and act in their own interest.

[Vicky.]

Everything I have read of Liddle has the same kind of tone to it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

These two subjects have absolutely NOTHING in common and are incomparable in the context of what you are trying to imply Red.

Devout or Extreme or Fundamentalist Muslims can be understood when they object to cartoons which depict their God (though the reaction of the murdering nutjobs in Paris can NEVER be justified) but in Paul's quoted post, we are talking about CORBYN - a possible FUTURE Prime Minister of this country - SUPPORTING and ENCOURAGING a VILE ANTI-SEMITIC when ALL the time Corbyn has denied being anti-Semitic.

The fact that Paul's post illustrates only one FURTHER example of cowardly Corbyn's duplicity and not the ONLY example compounds his UNSUITABILITY to even be LEADER of THE LABOUR PARTY let alone Prime Minister.

You are aware he hadn't seen the mural prior to it's removal?
By the way did you notice the word scrawled across it prior to the removal?...

In the interest of art the artist thankfully recreated the piece in 2016, with slight changes to the appearance of the bankers.

[Twosugars]

Jewish leaders have called for a show of solidarity outside parliament on Monday evening to warn the Labour leadership that “enough is enough”, after Jeremy Corbyn was engulfed in a fresh antisemitism row.

The Jewish Board of Deputies and the Jewish Leadership Council issued what they described as a “call to action” on Sunday, announcing they would be delivering a letter to the parliamentary Labour party before its regular weekly meeting on Monday.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...isemitic-mural

[DemolitionRed]

There is a lot of Jewish support for Corbyn. Its just well hidden because they are being prevented from being a voice.

Here's a voice

Why I am an anti-Zionist Jew

Operation Protective Edge, in which over 1900 Palestinians and nearly 70 Israelis have now been killed, is just the most recent, inevitable consequence of a brutal, militaristically-advanced settler-colonial occupation encroaching on the lives and lands of a subjugated people – using a 30-foot wall, settlements, missiles, tanks and the withholding of basic human necessities to perpetrate continued domination. This form of militarism is not specific to Israel – the Islamic State, the treatment of Native Americans in the USA, and South African apartheid bear comparison - but that doesn't make it any more defensible.

While today a majority of observing Jews identify with the state of Israel, there is both a growing and visible minority of anti- and non-Zionist Jews, and a rich history of anti-Zionism within Judaism. Political movements like The Jewish Labour Bund and thinkers such as Abraham Serfaty, Emma Goldman and Leon Trotsky are often ignored or dismissed as “self-hating traitors”. In the UK today groups like Jews for Justice for Palestinians, Jewdas, Young Jewish Left and the International Jewish Anti-Zionist network are active voices against the occupation.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/transf...ntizionist-jew.

And another

Youtube video

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

There is a lot of Jewish support for Corbyn. Its just well hidden because they are being prevented from being a voice.

Here's a voice

Why I am an anti-Zionist Jew

Operation Protective Edge, in which over 1900 Palestinians and nearly 70 Israelis have now been killed, is just the most recent, inevitable consequence of a brutal, militaristically-advanced settler-colonial occupation encroaching on the lives and lands of a subjugated people – using a 30-foot wall, settlements, missiles, tanks and the withholding of basic human necessities to perpetrate continued domination. This form of militarism is not specific to Israel – the Islamic State, the treatment of Native Americans in the USA, and South African apartheid bear comparison - but that doesn't make it any more defensible.

While today a majority of observing Jews identify with the state of Israel, there is both a growing and visible minority of anti- and non-Zionist Jews, and a rich history of anti-Zionism within Judaism. Political movements like The Jewish Labour Bund and thinkers such as Abraham Serfaty, Emma Goldman and Leon Trotsky are often ignored or dismissed as “self-hating traitors”. In the UK today groups like Jews for Justice for Palestinians, Jewdas, Young Jewish Left and the International Jewish Anti-Zionist network are active voices against the occupation.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/transf...ntizionist-jew.

And another

Youtube video

This is akin to the 'some of my best friends are black' racist defence though, it doesn't mean that there is not an anti-Semitism problem in Labour

It says a lot that Corbyn has had to issue a grovelling apology about it because there has finally been a big enough backlash

[Kizzy]

Backlash for what... What exactly did he do again? Talk about a storm in a teacup.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/l...orbyn-1.460197

Corbyn was member of secret Facebook group spouting antisemetic hate. Disciplinary action started. Comes as no surprise to me as there has been considerable mention of Labour members’ antisemitism.

https://www.thejc.com/comment/commen...lemma-1.460305

not sure I I have all facts on this story but seen the pic of them playing monopoly. omg powerful and fantastic art work.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh dear

Jezza and his jewish hating views are the lead item on the main news channels this morning...

[jaxie]

Yeah there has been a lot more on this in the news over the last two days. Yesterday Corbyn released an apology. Why apologise if there hasn't been any wrong? And today Jewish groups have launched a scathing attack on him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jeremy Corbyn branded 'hostile' by Jewish leaders as Labour anti-Semitism row deepens



Jeremy Corbyn has been accused by Jewish leaders of holding “conspiratorial views” about their community and treating them like a “hostile entity”.

The Board of Deputies and the Jewish Leadership Council, two of the most senior Jewish groups in Britain, will on Monday take the unprecedented step of holding a protest against Mr Corbyn in Parliament Square.

They will tell Mr Corbyn that “enough is enough” and hand him a letter in which they accuse him of siding with anti-Semites “time and time again”.

Mr Corbyn on Sunday admitted that Labour has a problem with “pockets of anti-Semitism” but declined to apologise for comments that appeared to defend the artist of an anti-Semitic mural.

He also claimed that he would be meeting with leaders from the Jewish community, although the Jewish Leadership Council and Board of Deputies said they had not received an invitation.

The Jewish Leadership Council said it was the first demonstration by Jewish leaders against the leader of a mainstream political party since at least the Second World War.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...anti-semitism/

[bots]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Yeah there has been a lot more on this in the news over the last two days. Yesterday Corbyn released an apology. Why apologise if there hasn't been any wrong? And today Jewish groups have launched a scathing attack on him.

That's just it isn't it. There was an investigation done, and the lady who did it got a peerage for finding that there was no anti Semitic issues in the labour party. There have been countless denials from Corbyn that there was an issue. There has been evidence that Corbyn himself partook in some of the anti Semitic rhetoric, all previously denied by him .... and now he comes out with an apology? The funny thing is that others in social media say one wrong word and they are hounded for it .... but not saint Jeremy, who has lived the life of an angel his entire working life.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Backlash for what... What exactly did he do again? Talk about a storm in a teacup.

Its interesting reading the angry responses in The Independent Kizzy. People know the Tory's are the 'Nasty Party' and this bonfire they are building before the elections is a last ditch attempt to get rid of someone they see as a real threat.

Edited to say: Anyone who dislikes Corbyn are going to embrace and revel in this attack.

[DemolitionRed]

A statement from Jewish Labour members on the current attacks on Jeremy Corbyn

We are Jews in the Labour Party currently actively campaigning for Labour in local elections. We are appalled by the actions and statements of the Board of Deputies. They do not represent us or the many Jews in the Party who share Jeremy Corbyn’s vision for social justice and fairness. Jeremy’s consistent commitment to anti-racism is all the more needed now.

As the British people call time on May and the Tories, they are getting more desperate. We would hope that any organisation claiming to represent Jews would be calling them to account when, to cite two examples in the last two months, the Prime Minister‘s ex Chief of Staff uses a national newspaper to dredge up an antisemitic conspiracy theory, and Havering Conservative party issues a dogwhistle leaflet hoping to mobilise racism in their local election campaign. The Board of Deputies has been silent on both. It also says nothing on the global rise of the far right and the toxic anti-immigrant rhetoric of the tabloid press, despite the imperative from Jewish history to speak out against racism and fascism.

The Board of Deputies and those supporting them must be aware that this is an attempt to influence local elections and has nothing to do with the real and necessary task of challenging racism and anti-semitism at all levels of political life. We call on them to stop playing politics and start representing what our community needs. We believe that is best represented by the politics we fight for and hope to see win on May 3rd.

Signed

Jenny Mason and Leah Levane co-chairs of JVL, on behalf of Jewish Voice for Labour

Jewish Socialist Group

Sue Lukes Labour council candidate, Islington North CLP

Joseph Finlay Enfield Southgate CLP

Lev Taylor Camberwell and Peckham CLP

Stephen Marks Oxford District Labour Party

Richard Kuper Holborn & St Pancras CLP

Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi, Chingford and Woodford Green CLP

Cllr Mike Howard Hastings & Rye CLP

Glyn Secker

Dave Rosenberg Islington North CLP Convenor Cable Street 80

Julia Bard Islington North CLP

Ian Saville, Brent Central CLP

Lara Johnson. Bracknell CLP

Ivor Dembina Vauxhall CLP

Pam Laurance, Brent Central CLP

Pauline Laurance, Finchley and Golders Green CLP

Miriam Yagud Stroud CLP

Miri Franklin

Dorothy Macedo Worthing West CLP

Alice Bondi, Penrith and the Border CLP

Sue Hughes Hornsey & Wood Green. CLP

Angie Mindel Nottingham East CLP

Paul Halas Stroud CLP

Ruth Appleton, Holborn & St Pancras CLP

Susan Pashkoff, Leyton and Wanstead CLP

http://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org....jeremy-corbyn/

[DemolitionRed]

40% of Tory members have been found to agree with at least some anti-Semitic statements, so where is the media outrage about this?

One of the reasons I like Corbyn is, he's not the 'nasty party' but he needs to start getting a bit more vindictive because there's so much he could throw back at the Tory's

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

40% of Tory members have been found to agree with at least some anti-Semitic statements, so where is the media outrage about this?

One of the reasons I like Corbyn is, he's not the 'nasty party' but he needs to start getting a bit more vindictive because there's so much he could throw back at the Tory's

link?

and childish name calling like you are doing "the nasty party" is not really in keeping with what you long for ie the "serious debate" now is it?

[Nicky91]

#Corbyn4PM please Make UK love Russia again



Theresa May for strictly, Anton needs a flop celeb for this year i suppose

[MTVN]

Jeremy Corbyn has been active in one anti-Semitic Facebook group. He was a member of a second anti-Semitic Facebook group until last week. And now Guido can reveal he personally joined and is still a member of a third Facebook group filled with extremely anti-Semitic content.

The difference with the other groups is that Corbyn personally and actively joined “The Labour Party Supporter”. He was not added by anybody else. “The Labour Party Supporter” is full of anti-Semitic postings about the Rothschilds, Jews harvesting organs, the Holocaust and conspiracy theories linking Israel and ISIS. Corbyn remains a member of the group this morning.

Corbyn cannot use the excuse that he was added by someone else and didn’t know about it. He decided the group was something he wanted to join, and something he wanted to remain a member of to this very day, despite the huge amount of anti-Semitic material posted in the group for years. Does anyone believe his line that with the mural, the Facebook groups and everything else, he simply didn’t notice the anti-Semitism?



https://order-order.com/2018/03/26/c...acebook-group/

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

#Corbyn4PM please Make UK love Russia again



Theresa May for strictly, Anton needs a flop celeb for this year i suppose

Um Russia performed a chemical attack on our country. Let's not be flippant about it.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its interesting reading the angry responses in The Independent Kizzy. People know the Tory's are the 'Nasty Party' and this bonfire they are building before the elections is a last ditch attempt to get rid of someone they see as a real threat.

Edited to say: Anyone who dislikes Corbyn are going to embrace and revel in this attack.

One of the things I find quite disturbing on all this is the complete denial by some people. Even the most ardent supporter should be looking at this and thinking, well is there a problem here rather than desperately trying to attack and blame the opposition. There is loyalty and then there is blind faith.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Jeremy Corbyn has been active in one anti-Semitic Facebook group. He was a member of a second anti-Semitic Facebook group until last week. And now Guido can reveal he personally joined and is still a member of a third Facebook group filled with extremely anti-Semitic content.

The difference with the other groups is that Corbyn personally and actively joined “The Labour Party Supporter”. He was not added by anybody else. “The Labour Party Supporter” is full of anti-Semitic postings about the Rothschilds, Jews harvesting organs, the Holocaust and conspiracy theories linking Israel and ISIS. Corbyn remains a member of the group this morning.

Corbyn cannot use the excuse that he was added by someone else and didn’t know about it. He decided the group was something he wanted to join, and something he wanted to remain a member of to this very day, despite the huge amount of anti-Semitic material posted in the group for years. Does anyone believe his line that with the mural, the Facebook groups and everything else, he simply didn’t notice the anti-Semitism?



https://order-order.com/2018/03/26/c...acebook-group/

That pig is absolutely vile imagery. Were I Labour I'd want to be as far away from that sort of thing as possible.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is bang to rights here

[Kizzy]

I see this for what it is the last ditch attempt by an establishment to rid it of someone.

End of, no amount of omigodicantbelieveyoujustsaidthat will change that.
The govt is in turmoil so something massive had to be found, this is it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I see this for what it is the last ditch attempt by an establishment to rid it of someone.

End of, no amount of omigodicantbelieveyoujustsaidthat will change that.
The govt is in turmoil so something massive had to be found, this is it.

Kizzy, everything you post is just "its a big conspiracy" by the ruling elite



Its your basic line of defense for everything. You have backed a loser here and you will have to come to terms with this?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I see this for what it is the last ditch attempt by an establishment to rid it of someone.

End of, no amount of omigodicantbelieveyoujustsaidthat will change that.
The govt is in turmoil so something massive had to be found, this is it.