[Niamh.]

I explicitly did not "demand that others amend or review their views". I requested that they cut the BS and be a bit more honest about the root of their views because, in my opinion, 2 + 2 is equalling 5 a lot of the time.

How ****ing patronising seriously.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How ****ing patronising seriously.

He is thinking for us now? Just wow.

How is that people think they know how others minds work and all their motives for any given subject after sharing a few opinions on a forum. It's ridiculous.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How ****ing patronising seriously.

Why is it patronising? Do we have to take everything that everyone says at face value without question in order to "not be patronising"?

Originally Posted by jaxie

He is thinking for us now? Just wow.

How is that people think they know how others minds work and all their motives for any given subject after sharing a few opinions on a forum. It's ridiculous.

I'm not thinking for anyone, I'm questioning people's thoughts and what the root of those thoughts might be. Which is again an absolutely bog standard part of any debate. If I believed that I "knew" what everyone was thinking, why would I be asking what the root of the thought is?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Why is it patronising? Do we have to take everything that everyone says at face value without question in order to "not be patronising"?




I'm not thinking for anyone, I'm questioning people's thoughts and what the root of those thoughts might be. Which is again an absolutely bog standard part of any debate. If I believed that I "knew" what everyone was thinking, why would I be asking what the root of the thought is?

Are you for real? Seriously? you want me to tell you why I think that it's patronising to tell a person that you think their arguments in a debate/discussion are a bunch of lies and are hiding their underlying transphobia?

Also, speaking for myself, I've always been into womens rights and a bit of a feminist, you can check back to when i joined this forum to see that but all of a sudden I don't really care about womens rights and am just pretending to to hide my transphobia? mm right.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Are you for real? Seriously? you want me to tell you why I think that it's patronising to tell a person that you think their arguments in a debate/discussion are a bunch of lies and are hiding their underlying transphobia?

I haven't said that anyone's opinions are "a bunch of lies", I've said that it seems to me - very strongly - that there's something more behind those opinions than what is being offered. A perfectly valid part of any debate, and frankly, the incredulity in the responses doesn't really make me think otherwise?

Also, speaking for myself, I've always been into womens rights and a bit of a feminist, you can check back to when i joined this forum to see that but all of a sudden I don't really care about womens rights and am just pretending to to hide my transphobia? mm right.

Again, I have never said that anyone is only "pretending" to support women's rights. I do however believe that there is currently a strong anti-trans sentiment that is being attached to the pursuit or defense of women's rights that could debatably be questioned as transphobic in nature - but that can't be confirmed or denied, apparently, as it is not open to debate but only a flat "NO. DENY. DO NOT QUESTION AGAIN!". Serious debates. It should be OK to question someone's thinking! Or maybe we should rename the forum "Serious Soapboxing And Accepting Other People's Views Without Question". Wordsy, but more accurate.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I haven't said that anyone's opinions are "a bunch of lies", I've said that it seems to me - very strongly - that there's something more behind those opinions than what is being offered. A perfectly valid part of any debate, and frankly, the incredulity in the responses doesn't really make me think otherwise?



Again, I have never said that anyone is only "pretending" to support women's rights. I do however believe that there is currently a strong anti-trans sentiment that is being attached to the pursuit or defense of women's rights that could debatably be questioned as transphobic in nature - but that can't be confirmed or denied, apparently, as it is not open to debate but only a flat "NO. DENY. DO NOT QUESTION AGAIN!". Serious debates. It should be OK to question someone's thinking! Or maybe we should rename the forum "Serious Soapboxing And Accepting Other People's Views Without Question". Wordsy, but more accurate.

Sorry you didn't say a bunch of lies, you said BS, silly me.

In a debate I expect people to listen to my reasons for where I stand on an issue yes without calling me a liar. But anyway I'm tired of this particular discussion and I'm tired of being called a liar (sorry bull****ter) by you so this really is my last response to you on the subject.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sorry you didn't say a bunch of lies, you said BS, silly me.

In a debate I expect people to listen to my reasons for where I stand on an issue yes without calling me a liar. But anyway I'm tired of this particular discussion and I'm tired of being called a liar (sorry bull****ter) by you so this really is my last response to you on the subject.

Fair enough. Apparently we're not moving past the personal offense issues, so it probably is best to not go round in circles.